## Colin Kaepernick

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Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:31 am

I basically agree with Shapiro on this one. I think he clarifies the marketing logic too:

He's wrong that it specifically needs a backlash from Trump. There is enough of a backlash by Trump fanboys to amount to the same thing.

The argument that this being a cynical marketing ploy by Nike somehow makes it politically less relevant is nonsense. It arguably makes it even more relevant, given that a huge corporation has decided that it is profitable to openly antagonize populist conservatives.This is less about increasing immediate sales and more about being on the right side of history, so that in 2028 Nike can point back and say they spoke out in favor of the good guys. That can be tremendous brand goodwill.
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A lot of the left leaning side of my social group isn't impressed with Nike's move here.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:08 pm Nike uses child slave labor, and Kaepernick is OK with that if the price is right.

Because child slave lives do not matter.
Are you quite sure that the shoes you wear were made more ethically?

Or your shirts, or pants or other clothes?
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Anaxagoras wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:31 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 5:08 pm Nike uses child slave labor, and Kaepernick is OK with that if the price is right.

Because child slave lives do not matter.
Are you quite sure that the shoes you wear were made more ethically?

Or your shirts, or pants or other clothes?
Abdul is not out there protesting injustices while being a hypocrite as far as I am aware.
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You need tiny hands for the tiny stitching.

What?

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RCC: Act II wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:58 pm
Anaxagoras wrote: Wed Sep 05, 2018 4:31 am

I basically agree with Shapiro on this one. I think he clarifies the marketing logic too:

He's wrong that it specifically needs a backlash from Trump. There is enough of a backlash by Trump fanboys to amount to the same thing.

The argument that this being a cynical marketing ploy by Nike somehow makes it politically less relevant is nonsense. It arguably makes it even more relevant, given that a huge corporation has decided that it is profitable to openly antagonize populist conservatives.This is less about increasing immediate sales and more about being on the right side of history, so that in 2028 Nike can point back and say they spoke out in favor of the good guys. That can be tremendous brand goodwill.
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Grammatron wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 6:58 pm Abdul is not out there protesting injustices while being a hypocrite as far as I am aware.
To be fair, Kaepernick has never said what it is he is protesting.

eta: he could be protesting age of consent laws for all we know.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:07 pm I thought it was police brutality, with some sort of organizational tie in to BLM.
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WildCat wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:17 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:07 pm I thought it was police brutality, with some sort of organizational tie in to BLM.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... nal-anthem
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RCC: Act II wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:58 pm The argument that this being a cynical marketing ploy by Nike somehow makes it politically less relevant is nonsense. It arguably makes it even more relevant, given that a huge corporation has decided that it is profitable to openly antagonize populist conservatives.This is less about increasing immediate sales and more about being on the right side of history, so that in 2028 Nike can point back and say they spoke out in favor of the good guys. That can be tremendous brand goodwill.
And you know all this how??

Secondly . . . Sorry, but Kaepernick is not one of the "good guys".

He deliberately chose to show disrespect for the country in order to make a highly controversial political statement of dubious merit, and did it not on his own time but as a publicly visible representative of his company while on company time.

That is not the definition of a good guy.
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xouper wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:27 pm
RCC: Act II wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:58 pm The argument that this being a cynical marketing ploy by Nike somehow makes it politically less relevant is nonsense. It arguably makes it even more relevant, given that a huge corporation has decided that it is profitable to openly antagonize populist conservatives.This is less about increasing immediate sales and more about being on the right side of history, so that in 2028 Nike can point back and say they spoke out in favor of the good guys. That can be tremendous brand goodwill.
And you know all this how??

Secondly . . . Sorry, but Kaepernick is not one of the "good guys".

He deliberately chose to show disrespect for the country in order to make a highly controversial political statement of dubious merit, and did it not on his own time but as a publicly visible representative of his company while on company time.

That is not the definition of a good guy.
He also thinks Fidel Castro is a hero. Once you support totalitarian dictators you lose all moral high ground. Obviously RCC has no issues with supporting an ideology that has killed at least 150 million people, because surely they'll get it right next time.

But as a rational person I hold the same contempt for Communists as I do for Nazis.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:37 pm OK I won't say he's a "good guy" but ...
xouper wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:27 pm ... did it not on his own time but as a publicly visible representative of his company while on company time.
It would have been pointless unsensational otherwise.
Fixed it for ya.

There are plenty of ways to bring attention to a social injustice without deliberately disrespecting the country and the people who sacrificed all for it. It seems to me that by sitting or kneeling, Kaepernick hurt his cause more than help it and has damaged the NFL in the process.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:04 pm You didn't "fix" it, but you did explain why it would be pointless where I merely asserted it.
Are you arguing that social justice protests that do not directly disrespect the country are pointless?

Are you arguing, for example, that MLK Jr did it wrong and that he should have dissed the flag as part of his message?
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:49 pm
Are you arguing that social justice protests ...
Either you are mighty naive about the ways of a publicity hound, or pretending to be for rhetorical effect.
It seems I am not getting your point, which is why I asked for clarification. Rather than criticize me for what I do not know, it would be more helpful if you would just explain your point in more detail. Thanks.
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Did anyone notice that Colin did not do this before he was demoted to a back-up?

Then later claimed he would stop if someone gave him a starting job rather than a back-up?

Curious.

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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:59 am The deal with Nike (or something very like it) is the point.

He makes more money than many an NFL player.
Still need further clarification of your point. Are you saying that from the very beginning, Kaepernick's primary motive for kneeling was to get more money from Nike?
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xouper wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:02 pm
Abdul Alhazred wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:37 pm OK I won't say he's a "good guy" but ...
xouper wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:27 pm ... did it not on his own time but as a publicly visible representative of his company while on company time.
It would have been pointless unsensational otherwise.
Fixed it for ya.

There are plenty of ways to bring attention to a social injustice without deliberately disrespecting the country and the people who sacrificed all for it. It seems to me that by sitting or kneeling, Kaepernick hurt his cause more than help it and has damaged the NFL in the process.
He just wants to make America great again. When you do that, you imply that it at present is not great. Which is a level of disrespect. Funny as to who gets a pass when insulting this country.

Bringing attention to social injustice by definition means getting people to hear a message they don't want to hear. That is always going to be disruptive to some degree, and those against social justice are forever going to criticize any sort of disruption to the social order while convincing themselves that it is the method and not the message they are criticizing. As if they would be more likely to hear the message were it mumbled into an empty closet in an abandoned house.
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WildCat wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:41 pm

Obviously RCC has no issues with supporting an ideology that has killed at least 150 million people, because surely they'll get it right next time.

So we are up to "at least 150 million" now?

Even the Black Book had it at 94m, and some of the authors of that were critical of that number as being way too high and the result of one author's obsession with getting the number to 100m.

You know why you don't keep hearing how many people capitalism has killed?

1) It's a stupid idea to put causation of a death on a broadly defined political/economic viewpoint.

2) The number would be so stupid high as to boggle the mind. By the methods of the Black Book, we can account for 100m+ dead just among Africans during colonial times. Slave trade, resource extraction, etc.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:55 pm
Bringing attention to social injustice ...

He loses nothing. He gets $3,000,000. If that also somehow does good in the world to degree that offsets encouraging child slavery, well then good. But it doesn't make the black kids who buy more Nikes any safer around the cops. So? International labor practices are a totally different issue. I'm not building a shrine to Nike anytime soon. The point remains that those who do not want to hear the message aren't going to address the message. Rather the method of delivery (too disruptive, etc), and the nature of the person making the delivery. That he's getting paid, has an ulterior motive, was raised by white parents, etc. It's all avoidance by people who know they are wrong and looking for a way to sleep at night. RCC: Act II Posts: 904 Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:56 am ### Re: Colin Kaepernick Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:58 pm Because it really is about getting black kids to buy more Nikes. All else is bullshit. Things can have multiple motivations. RCC: Act II Posts: 904 Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:56 am ### Re: Colin Kaepernick Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:10 pm Colin Kaepernick did *not* increase awareness of police brutality. lol. He's continually keeping it in the news. Likely increased BLM donations by a massive amount. He was skillful at generating saleable notoriety for *himself*. He only used it to make$3,000,000 and much more than that for his bosses.

He's been using that money and notoriety in pursuit of charitable deeds and acts, so I don't see the problem here. Nike has been (up until now silently) paying him all along, basically to do exactly that.

It's hard to dismiss someone as greedy when that person has dedicated his life and fortune to charity, but that isn't going to stop some people from trying.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:58 pm Make money from slavery, spend some of it on charity. Right.
Like I said. It always has to be about something else. That he isn't enough of a commie stooge to satisfy your idea of political consistency is not something I see as a useful point.

Standard issue conservative fallacy. When someone wants to work towards changing the capitalist system, claim that working within the capitalist system to do so is an inherent endorsement of the existing system and therefore the claim to want to change the system is hypocrisy.

...and then when someone wants to abolish the whole system, call them a nutbag commie so you win both ways.

Yawn.
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Colin Kaepernick is a football player who knows damn well that his career is measured in months, a couple of years if he's lucky. So what are his choices? Car dealership? Beer distributer ship? Racial politics?

Come on, what would you do? He has been brilliant though his PR team seems a bit amateurish. Nike is a company of whores and he was wise to sign up with them. Couple of speeches written for him, a couple of brooding photos, some cinema "verite" of him and some sad sack black kids out of central casting. A great gig. And well meaning useful idiots will justify and support and defend and provide the eloquence that he might not have. At least at this point, he probably figures let them take care of it, he'll be busy with the sex and drugs and rock and roll. Everyone should be surrounded by true believers to take a bullet if the need arises.

He's like every other committed socialist/commie/progressive/race baiter: Make sure that you take care of #1 first.
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On a day when 7 cops were shot in South Carolina, I thought I'd mention that Kaepernick gave the Marxist cop-killing advocacy group Assata's Daughters $25,000. Do you have questions about God? you sniveling little right-wing nutter - jj Anaxagoras Posts: 28893 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan ### Re: Colin Kaepernick The controversy over Gillette's new "woke" ad campaign reminded me of this. There was a "boycott" and even a few efforts to "ban" Nike products. A Georgia college has banned Nike from its school store, and a Louisiana mayor tried to ban the brand at city rec centers. Has the boycott been effective? How is Nike doing lately? Nike crushes earnings expectations, helped by strong online sales, shares surge Nike reported quarterly earnings and revenue on Thursday that beat analysts' expectations. Shares of the company were up 8 percent in premarket trading. Nike said revenue grew in nearly every category, with footwear and apparel seeing growth in the double digits globally. Well, I guess that settles it. Too early to say whether Gillette's move will work or not, but I see that the ad already has almost 15 million views on Youtube. Probably a lot more than any conventional ad would get, if not "controversial". A lot of "dislikes" on the video, but less than a million. So at least 15 people see the video for every one who bothers to downvote it. A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare Anaxagoras Posts: 28893 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Location: Yokohama/Tokyo, Japan ### Re: Colin Kaepernick Nike Fires 8-Year-Old Shoemaker Responsible For Zion Williamson Injury Wow, look at that shoe. That 8-year-old who made it needs a good whuppin to larn him. A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. 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Nike nixed the released of the Air Max 1 USA after having already sent the sneakers to retailers because the protesting quarterback said he felt the use of the Betsy Ross flag was offensive and carried slavery connotations, sources told The Wall Street Journal. Wow. The shoes were already made and sent to retailers. Spoiler: A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare Doctor X Posts: 73467 Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm Title: Collective Messiah Location: Your Mom ### Re: Colin Kaepernick I suppose I should admire his ability to translate his conceited incompetence into so much money and influence. And people hate Trump. At least he had a successful television show. And does not have ridiculous hair. [Really?--Ed.] I have no shame, no. --J.D. Mob of the Mean: Free beanie, cattle-prod and Charley Fan Club! 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Doctor X Posts: 73467 Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm Title: Collective Messiah Location: Your Mom ### Re: Colin Kaepernick Good point. He has "influence" in that idiots looking for an excuse find him useful. --J.D. Mob of the Mean: Free beanie, cattle-prod and Charley Fan Club! "Doctor X is just treating you the way he treats everyone--as subhuman crap too dumb to breathe in after you breathe out." – Don DocX: FTW. – sparks "Doctor X wins again." – Pyrrho "Never sorry to make a racist Fucktard cry." – His Humble MagNIfIcence "It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone." – clarsct "I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far." – Grammatron "Indeed you are a river to your people. Shit. That's going to end up in your sig." – Pyrrho "Try a twelve step program and accept Doctor X as your High Power." – asthmatic camel "just like Doc X said." – gnome WS CHAMPIONS X4!!!! NBA CHAMPIONS!! Stanley Cup! 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has not changed.

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Shit. That's going to end up in your sig." – Pyrrho
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Kapernick could replace Brees in this climate.
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Funny, I was going to post that the Saints cut Brees and the Pats signed him.

I am finding the various Sports Dudes falling over themselves to virtue signal support for the idiot vexatious.

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Shit. That's going to end up in your sig." – Pyrrho
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That would be funny.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:51 am Has the boycott been effective? How is Nike doing lately?

Nike crushes earnings expectations, helped by strong online sales, shares surge
Nike reported quarterly earnings and revenue on Thursday that beat analysts' expectations.
Shares of the company were up 8 percent in premarket trading.
Nike said revenue grew in nearly every category, with footwear and apparel seeing growth in the double digits globally.

Not so fast...

Nike reports unexpected loss as sales tumble 38%, shares fall
The Portland, Oregon-based sneaker maker on Thursday reported an unexpected quarterly net loss and a sales decline of 38% year-over-year, as its business was hurt from its stores being shut temporarily, and online revenue was not enough to make up for that.

Its inventories also piled up, weighing on profits, as its wholesale partners such as department stores also had their shops shut and took in fewer orders for shoes and clothes.

Nike shares were recently down around 4% in after-hours trading.

Here’s how Nike did during its fiscal fourth quarter:

Loss per share: 51 cents
Revenue: $6.31 billion Nike reported a loss of$790 million, or 51 cents per share, during the period ended May 31, compared with net income of $989 million, or earnings of 62 cents a share, a year ago. Total revenue was down 38% to$6.31 billion from \$10.18 billion a year ago. Sales in North America were down 46%, while sales in China were down just 3%, with many of Nike’s stores in that region reopening sooner during the pandemic than in the U.S.
They're trying to blame the Wuhan virus, but even with that analysts expected earnings of 7 cents a share. They are wildly underperforming.

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