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Too bad youtube (or CBS) won't let me watch that in Japan, but does he tell people to not wear masks?
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Yes. That is exactly what he says. And he hand waves (literally) away all the arguments for them as "just making you "feel" (literal quote marks with his fingers) safe by thinking they're "perfect" (literal quote marks) protection. "Oh sure, it's fine for people in Japan and Asia for "them" (literal quote marks)

He should be horsewhipped. And the 60 minutes reporter knew he was lying and should have kicked him right in the nuts. It's worth logging in to a vpn to see it.
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I could chance getting dinged for copyright and put that shit on Twitter
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Clearly this lie means that we should join the Republican revolt against the liberal COVID narrative he is responsible for, and refuse to wear masks.

(not directed at anyone here, there's just a certain discontinuity in some rhetoric around this)
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Interesting
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Masks are mandatory in Cleveland. County bosses are likely to follow suit:

https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/loc ... -in-public
Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson signed an order Friday that requires citizens to wear masks or face coverings throughout the city, and Cuyahoga County Executive Armond Budish announced his intent to bring legislation to Cuyahoga County Council next week mandating the use of masks across the county’s public spaces in an effort to mitigate the increasing spread of COVID-19. .

The order in Cleveland, effective immediately, requires all individuals out in public to wear a mask or face covering, including at restaurants and other businesses.

The city of Cleveland will submit legislation to issue fines for violators of the order. If passes the fines will include:

Employees of a business who fail to wear a mask will be issued a $50 citation. Customers and guests who fail to wear masks will be issued a $25 citation.

Businesses that fail to facilitate social distancing will be fined $3,000 for the first instance and $5,000 for each subsequent violation. Businesses that fail to follow capacity orders will be fined $3,000 for the first violation and $5,000 for each additional violation.

Residents who hold gatherings of 10 or more people and do not wear masks will be issued a $150 citation for the first incident and $300 for each additional incident.

Individuals who do not wear a mask inside ride-sharing vehicles will be issued a $50 fine.
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Pyrrho wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:05 am Masks are mandatory in Cleveland. County bosses are likely to follow suit:
The order in Cleveland, effective immediately, requires all individuals out in public to wear a mask or face covering, including at restaurants and other businesses.
Can't eat with a mask. :?
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The order specifically says "all individuals out in public".
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Here's the actual order:

https://clecityhall.files.wordpress.com ... 3.2020.pdf

The specifics, and do not get me started on the atrocious syntax:
Therefore, effective July 3rd, I am declaring the following:

1. Mandatory masks for all individuals out in public or in public spaces including businesses, restaurants etc.

2. Maximum capacity at any bar, restaurant, entertainment venue cannot exceed 50% of allowable capacity and must comply with social distancing standards.

3. Any establishment that upon 2 incidents of violating maximum capacity order will be ordered to shut down.

4. Mass Gathering Orders are still in effect. If incidents of more than 10 persons are gathered not wearing masks, enforcement actions will be taken.

5. If an establishment has an employee or a patron, who has tested positive for Covid-19, then the establishment must be sanitized to the standards of the Cleveland Health Department, failure to demonstrate such sanitization will result in the facility being shut down.

6. People should not gather during the holiday, except within the social distancing and mass gathering mandates, and shall wear masks and wash their hands often.
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Oh and these are gems:
D. EMERGENCY PURCHASES
Upon recommendation of the Director of the appropriate Department and the Director of
Finance and after justification and determination by them that the emergency need exists for
the requested purchase, all purchasing and contracting requirements under Cleveland Codified
Ordinance Chapters 181 and 185, and City rules, regulations or procedures are temporarily
suspended to allow for entering into contracts for the procurement of materials, supplies,
equipment, construction, or services immediately necessary to protect the health, safety, and
welfare of the citizens of the City of Cleveland.

E. PAYROLL
All codified ordinances and/or regulatory provisions are suspended as necessary to allow for
the continued ability of the City to meet payroll, process insurance benefits, and pay vendors
during the time of this civil emergency.
Let the kickbacks commence.
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News release from Henry Ford Health:

https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/ ... ment-study

Link to the published study:

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S120 ... 8/fulltext

This Kaplan-Meier chart shows the differences in probability of survival over time for the different treatments. Folks not treated with hydroxychloroquine or azithrymycin had lower probability of survival over time than folks treated with hydroxychloroquine or the combination therapy.

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This one compares survival in patients given or not given hydroxychloroquine:

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People smarter than I will be able to read the scientific data and understand it better. However, based on what I can understand, it ain't a miracle drug. It appears to help in severely ill patients but it's not a cure, and the study doesn't discuss the drug's efficacy as a preventative.
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I get exactly where she's coming from.
Support groups have sprung up all over the internet because medical science doesn’t know what to do with the hundreds of thousands of Covid patients who don’t get better in the (utter and complete bullshit, and they know it) CDC guidelines of 2-6 weeks."
I'm glad she has an outlet but a guideline is not a rule. She seems angry at they about it. Her closing advise is probably good.
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COVID never even became an epidemic in east Tn
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Comparing SARS-CoV-2 with SARS-CoV and influenza pandemics
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 9/fulltext
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Any time a single individual goes on a fucking rant and thinks they know better than the entire CDC, I call bulllshit. Dani can take it and shove it up robinsons cunt. :)
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COVID-19: Spain's Catalonia region reimposes lockdown amid spike

July 4 (UPI) -- Spain's Catalonia region reimposed a strict lockdown on 210,000 people in one area Saturday after COVID-19 infections spiked.

Catalan President Quim Torra said residents were not allowed to enter or leave Segria, an agricultural area west of Barcelona, including Lleida, a city in the west of Catalonia.

Torra added that the lockdown began Saturday afternoon and provisions allow non-residents to leave.

On Saturday, the Catalan health department reported 155 new COVID-19 cases in Lleida in the past day, more than double the new cases announced Friday -- 60.

The Catalan region has been one of the hardest hit by the coronavirus in Spain. Since the pandemic began, official figures released Friday showed 72,860 COVID-19 cases and 6,869 deaths across the Catalan region of 7.5 million people.

Spain has reported 250,545 cases of infection and 28,385 deaths from COVID-19, according to Johns Hopkins University's global tracker.

A spike in public housing towers in Melbourne, Australia, also prompted a lockdown Saturday.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News ... 593877933/
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robinson wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:07 pm
Or perhaps the first wave is over.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-may ... 43488.html
Coronavirus may have lain dormant across the world and emerged when environmental conditions were right for it to thrive - rather than starting in China, an Oxford University expert believes.

Dr Tom Jefferson, senior associate tutor at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (CEBM), at Oxford, and visiting professor at Newcastle University, argues that there is growing evidence that the virus was elsewhere before it emerged in Asia.

Last week, Spanish virologists announced they had found traces of the disease in samples of waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the coronavirus disease was seen in China.
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Coronavirus Dashboard

https://ncov2019.live/

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Pyrrho wrote: Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:33 pm https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-may ... 43488.html
Coronavirus may have lain dormant across the world and emerged when environmental conditions were right for it to thrive - rather than starting in China, an Oxford University expert believes.

Dr Tom Jefferson, senior associate tutor at the Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine (CEBM), at Oxford, and visiting professor at Newcastle University, argues that there is growing evidence that the virus was elsewhere before it emerged in Asia.

Last week, Spanish virologists announced they had found traces of the disease in samples of waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the coronavirus disease was seen in China.
The sewage samples haven't been able to rule out contamination, and it would be very strange to have viral evidence in March, but not April - December. Maybe the virus went to Spain on holiday before going back to China?

The premise looks very dodgy to me, and there are plenty of examples of seemingly excellent scientists who embrace loony ideas, so I wouldn't give it any weight without further - and much stronger - evidence.
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Massive increase is Seppos & Poms wanting to move to NZ on the back of eliminating the virus. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... d-covid-19

I'd like to ask the American members to pass on our regards to all of your countrymen wishing to move here.

Then tell them to fuck off - we have no need of more Americans. The ones already here are a waste of space, not to mention requiring very large spaces to house them. https://www.whaleoil.net.nz/tag/cat-pause/
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20139857v1

Background
After recovery from COVID-19, most patients have anti-SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibodies. Their convalescent plasma could be an inexpensive and widely available treatment for COVID-19.

Methods
The Convalescent-plasma-for-COVID (ConCOVID) study was a randomized trial comparing convalescent plasma with standard of care therapy in patients hospitalized for COVID-19 in the Netherlands. Patients were randomized 1:1 and received 300ml of plasma with anti-SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibody titers of at least 1:80. The primary endpoint was day-60 mortality and key secondary endpoints were hospital stay and WHO 8-point disease severity scale improvement on day 15.

Results
The trial was halted prematurely after 86 patients were enrolled. Although symptomatic for only 10 days (IQR 6-15) at the time of inclusion, 53 of 66 patients tested had anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies at baseline. A SARS-CoV-2 plaque reduction neutralization test showed neutralizing antibodies in 44 of the 56 (79%) patients tested with median titers comparable to the 115 donors (1:160 vs 1:160, p=0.40). These observations caused concerns about the potential benefit of convalescent plasma in the study population and after discussion with the data safety monitoring board, the study was discontinued. No difference in mortality (p=0.95), hospital stay (p=0.68) or day-15 disease severity (p=0.58) was observed between plasma treated patients and patients on standard of care.

Conclusion
Most COVID-19 patients already have high neutralizing antibody titers at hospital admission. Screening for antibodies and prioritizing convalescent plasma to risk groups with recent symptom onset will be key to identify patients that may benefit from convalescent plasma.
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"The trial was halted prematurely after 86 patients were enrolled. Although symptomatic for only 10 days (IQR 6-15) at the time of inclusion, 53 of 66 patients tested had anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies at baseline."

That sounds like good news.
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You can't trust everything you read in a medical journal
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"A SARS-CoV-2 plaque reduction neutralization test showed neutralizing antibodies in 44 of the 56 (79%) patients tested with median titers comparable to the 115 donors (1:160 vs 1:160, p=0.40). These observations caused concerns about the potential benefit of convalescent plasma in the study population and after discussion with the data safety monitoring board, the study was discontinued. "


It would seem the SARS-CoV-2 plaque reduction neutralization test would be a very helpful tool about now. If it actually shows neutralizing antibodies, that would be huge
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The entire narrative about infectious virus is so fucked up
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This Toronto group called M.A.D. (Mothers Against Distancing) rode the subway maskless today in “protest”

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https://old.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee ... s_against/

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There is more and more evidence coming forward that COVID-19 will not have the effect on our children that the politicians and the mainstream media would have you believe. We are a group of medical professionals and teachers all equipped with the truth, and all wanting to focus on the mental and physical health of our future generations.
They are on facebook also, sounding like anti-vaxxers.
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I am hoping that when I get it I won't get severe illness. Getting it seems to be inevitable.
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Pyrrho wrote: Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:25 am I am hoping that when I get it I won't get severe illness. Getting it seems to be inevitable.
I'd say it's possible to reduce one's chances by a wide margin. No close contact and wearing a decent mask correctly should keep you safe outside of your house.

The problem is someone in your household getting it first.
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