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Back to serious matter:
Pope: Gossiping is 'plague worse than COVID'

VATICAN CITY -- Pope Francis said Sunday that gossiping is a "plague worse than COVID" that is seeking to divide the Catholic Church.

Francis strayed from his prepared text to double down on his frequent complaint about gossiping within church communities and even within the Vatican bureaucracy. Francis didn't give specifics during his weekly blessing, but went on at some length to say the devil is the "biggest gossiper" who is seeking to divide the church with his lies.

"Please brothers and sisters, let's try to not gossip," he said. "Gossip is a plague worse than COVID. Worse. Let's make a big effort: No gossiping!"

Francis' comments came as he elaborated on a Gospel passage about the need to correct others privately when they do something wrong. The Catholic hierarchy has long relied on this "fraternal correction" among priests and bishops to correct them when they err without airing problems in public.

Survivors of sexual abuse have said this form of private reprimand has allowed abuse to fester in the church and let both predator priests and superiors who covered up for them escape punishment.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/pope-gossi ... -1.5094432

Do we gossip here? :notsure:
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↑↑ It's a pleasant read. Despite the subject it has a coherence too many contemporary authors seem to lack.

↑ Oh, so you renounce your ways? :notsure:
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I was almost seduced by a witch once, in Key West

Horrible people once you get to know them
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robinson wrote: Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:11 pm I was almost seduced by a witch once, in Key West

Horrible people once you get to know them
"Almost" heh...bro do you fly kites?
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Christians Haven’t Blamed Natural Disasters On The President Since 2016…

https://i.imgur.com/tP6nQD9.jpg

For eight years, conservative Evangelicals blamed President Barack Obama for every destructive occurrence of natural phenomenon, but, since President Trump took over, they don’t seem to be as adamant that calamitous weather events and other tragedies are directly affected by the actions of the Chief Executive.

“Now that a Republican is in office, we’re shifting gears a bit,” said televangelist Arnold Stoop, whose church services reach half a million people every Sunday. “Since Donald Trump took over, we’ve instructed our congregations to go back to blaming just gays for hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, forest fires, and the like. Natural disasters in America may still be getting more intense and more frequent during the Trump Administration, but blaming a white President for nature’s violence just doesn’t play well with our white, conservative congregants. It’s just a fact that the whole Anti-Christ scaremongering shtick isn’t as big a pew-filler when the president’s skin isn’t a sketchy dark color. We’re just trying to keep our religious messages relatable, you know? My congregants would never believe that a rich man like Trump didn’t have God’s approval, no matter how many Bible verses about rich people not getting into Heaven the libtards will throw in our faces.”

Some Evangelical church goers were relieved that they wouldn’t have to blame Trump for anything.
https://halfwaypost.com/2020/01/17/chri ... ince-2016/ for the rest.
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Clearly they're afraid of being 'fired'. :)
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:29 pm
Wow a literal Bible thumper.
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https://i.ibb.co/YDYw83h/Bible.jpg

"Watch your thoughts.
– The Bible"
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:36 pm Which Christians?

The United Methodists certainly have.
As have the Presbyterian Church in America and the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.

And the Episcopalians? Of course they have. They are the quasi-established church of the Democratic Party.

Or do you only count the usual fundy suspects as Real ChristiansTM?
I've already stated elsewhere that you are unworthy. Please cease and desist with your shit-stirring nonsense. :)
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Sparks is butthurt
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(Not really)

But just thinking about him going into the corn to read that made me chuckle
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Bishop of the Catholic Diocese of La Crosse responds to video of priest attacking Catholics who are Democrats

LA CROSSE, Wis. (WKBT) – The bishop of the Catholic Diocese of La Crosse is responding to a video of one of its priests attacking Catholics who are Democrats. The video, posted to Youtube already has almost 400,000 views.

A video by Father James Altman, the Priest at Saint James the Less Catholic Church here in La Crosse, is causing mixed reactions by those who have seen it.

The video, posted by a right wing media outlet, called Alpha News MN, shows Father Altman making claims against the Democratic party.

“To clueless baptized Catholics out there, you cannot be Catholic and be a Democrat. Period,” said Father Altman. “Their party platform is absolutely is against everything the Catholic Church teaches.”

“Repent your support of that party and it’s platform or face the fires of hell,” said Father Altman.

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Now the Diocese of La Crosse is weighing in, at one point supporting Father Altman’s attempt to bring attention to important issues.

“When we approach issues that are contradictory to the Faith and teachings of Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church, particularly on abortion and other life issues, we should invite dialogue and heart-felt conversion to the truth,” said the La Crosse Diocese Bishop William Patrick Callahan.

On the other hand, clearly stating they are unhappy with his approach and some of his message.

“His generalization and condemnation of entire groups of people is completely inappropriate and not in keeping with our values or the life of virtue,” said Bishop William Patrick Callahan.

But in the end, if Father Altman doesn’t change his message, the church may have the last word.

“Canonical penalties are not far away if my attempts at fraternal correction do not work. I pray that Fr. Altman’s heart and eyes might be open to the error of his ways and that he might take steps to correct his behavior and heal the wound he has inflicted on the Body of Christ,” said Bishop William Patrick Callahan.
https://www.news8000.com/bishop-of-the- ... democrats/

"Kill them all, God will know His own". :mrgreen:
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https://i.imgur.com/ZfYkf2k.jpg

Apart from that, I'm astonished how many people don't read what they write. :mrgreen:
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Tennessee school district can't push religion on students: Federal court injunction

SMITH COUNTY, Tenn. (WZTV) - A federal court has filed an injunction prohibiting a Tennessee school district from imposing religion on students.

Two atheist families previously sued Smith County Schools claiming district officials there promote Christianity. The lawsuit was filed by American Civil Liberties Union-Tennessee (ACLU-TN). It claimed Smith County school officials engage in unconstitutional practices that include school-directed prayer during assemblies, Bible distribution during classes and a large cross painted on the wall of a school athletic facility.

Late Monday, a federal judge issued a consent decree, an injunction agreed to by the school district to resolve the lawsuit.

"School officials may not incorporate official prayer into school events, pray with students, or encourage or promote student prayer," a news release from ACLU-TN said. "They also are prohibited from promoting their personal religious beliefs to students, posting religious iconography, and inviting outside guests or third parties to pray during school events, proselytize students, or distribute religious literature to students in class."

“I’m relieved the school district recognized that its widespread promotion of religion was unconstitutional,” plaintiff Kelly Butler said. “My children, and all children, deserve an education that is free from the type of religious coercion that our family has suffered.”
https://newschannel9.com/news/local/fed ... ristianity
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Two Mount Athos monasteries on lockdown following coronavirus outbreak

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At least two monasteries on Mount Athos have been put on lockdown after a coronavirus outbreak was reported on Monday at the world-famous monastic community in northern Greece.

The monasteries of Great Lavra and Panteleimonas have reportedly closed their doors to all visitors and pilgrims until further notice to protect their monks from the spread of the virus.

Epidemiologists and Health Ministry adviser Sotiris Tsiodras and Secretary-General for Civil Protection Vassilis Papageorgiou, meanwhile, traveled Mount Athos on Tuesday morning to meet with representatives of the monastic community to discuss the way forward.

Ten people have so far tested positive for the novel coronavirus on Mount Athos, eight of whom are monks at the Monastery of Saint Paul.

One monk, aged 85, is said to be in critical condition at the Papanikolaou Hospital in the northern port city of Thessaloniki.

Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin was due to travel to Mount Athos on Wednesday, but it was not clear on Tuesday whether the unofficial visit will go ahead as planned.
https://www.ekathimerini.com/257241/art ... s-outbreak
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German Catholic Church is losing priests and parishes

A key issue for this fall's Bishops' Conference will be the pressures facing the Catholic Church in Germany. Fewer priests mean fewer communities, even in one of the world's richest dioceses.

The end of the people's church

Restructuring is the church's new buzzword, given the sinking number of churchgoers and feared decline in church tax revenue. Cologne's Archdiocese is Germany's largest and one of the world's richest but plans to reduce its parishes from about 500 to 50 by 2030. One priest would oversee each enlarged community, such as in Cologne or Mainz.

"We can't act like we are still a people's church like it used to be," Picken said. "Those nostalgic days are over." That's why churches need to be restructured to "ensure they aren't a burden, but useful," he added. Picken wants to see the church again concern itself with the "substance" of belief.

Priests wanted

The restructuring is the clearest consequence of a lack of priests, which Germany's church has been forced to confront internally for years.

The issue will be brought more into the open during this week's Bishops' Conference in Fulda in central Germany. Church officials face the challenge of averting a crisis while rebuilding its standing amid abuse scandals and debates with the Vatican.

In a July statement, the Vatican opposed the German church's plans, saying each church must be led by a priest. The statement frustrated church officials, as it was seen as a clear rejection of a plan to form teams of priests and laypeople working on equal footing to oversee administration and pastoral work.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-catholic-c ... a-55016966

Good. :twisted:
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I get your point, but I doubt that people tired of religion will suddenly embrace a new one. Or, to put it more dramatically, that Catholicism is a bulwark against Islam.

And do we really want to rely on one superstition to fight another one?
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Non-reproduction hasn't much to do with religion (even if the Pope thinks otherwise): in affluent countries people have less spawn. (And feel safer, so don't rely on Sky Daddy for protection. Correlation but not causation.)

So I still think that religions becoming irrelevant is a good thing, on general principles.

And sooner or later we'll have to tackle the (over)population problem. The sooner the better.
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‘It’s like God has no sympathy’: Wine Country residents shaken by relentless onslaught of wildfires

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“I’m sort of numb at the moment,” said Sonoma County Supervisor Susan Gorin as she drove away at about 1 a.m. from her evacuated home in the Oakmont community on Santa Rosa’s eastern edge. All of Oakmont’s 4,500 residents were ordered to leave.

Gorin has lived this nightmare before. Three years ago, the Nuns Fire consumed her Oakmont home, which is still being rebuilt while she lives in another home in the same neighborhood. While fleeing to a hotel in Novato, Gorin contemplated the horrendous prospect that the same fate could befall her once more.

“It seems surreal to me that we would be facing this again in some of the same areas that lost so many homes so traumatically just three short years ago,” Gorin said. “It’s like God has no sympathy, no empathy for Sonoma County.”

But Gorin blames the worsening fire threat not on a heavenly cause but rather a human one: climate change. Rising temperatures have dried California’s vegetation even more than normal and made a single spark far more likely to cause ruinous conflagrations like the ones unfolding now. More than 3.75 million acres have burned statewide since Jan. 1 — far more than any other year on record.
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/cali ... 602558.php

God has no sympathy but it's just the climate. As Laplace said to Napoléon:
Napoleon: How s it that, although you say so much about the Universe, you say nothing about its Creator?
Laplace: No sire, I had no need of that hypothesis.
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Atheists Sue Alabama for Making Them Swear an Oath to God in Order to Vote

If you want to register to vote in Alabama, you must read and sign a declaration that includes a religious reference:

https://i.imgur.com/Y8Hw5YR.png

Some people may just ignore that, but let’s be clear: That’s a religious reference that has no business on any kind of voter registration form, much less in a declaration every person needs to sign in order to gain a right they already have.

It’s not just innocuous either. If you sign that statement without actually agreeing with what it says, it’s perjury. That form even says that anyone who “falsely” signs the statement could be “convicted and imprisoned for up to five years.” That means Alabama atheists who don’t want to swear an oath to God are technically committing a crime by doing what they must in order to vote.

Last November, atheist Randal Cragun wanted to register to vote. But he couldn’t honestly sign that declaration. So he contacted the office of the Secretary of State and asked for advice on what to do. They told him he had no alternatives. Sign the form or don’t vote. He was also told, “If you cross out a portion [of the oath], the board of registrars in your county will reject the application and ask you to re-submit.”

The Freedom From Religion Foundation sent a letter to state officials on Cragun’s behalf, but they were told the same thing. There was no remedy. Unless lawmakers passed a bill to change the oath — good luck with that — nothing would change.

That’s why FFRF is now filing a federal lawsuit against the state on behalf of Cragun and three other atheists.
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/202 ... r-to-vote/ for details of the suit.
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Do Alabama courts still use the god reference for oaths in testimony?
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Abdul Alhazred wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:05 pm Synopsis: Serious speculation about demonic possession. Apparently barking like a dog is known to be a symptom. :lmao:
Wildly exaggerated, you mad Arab. :roll:

The two posts quoted in full:
To: artichokegrower

Demonic Possession?
To: left that other site
Demonic Possession?

My first thought too.
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Faith healing “school” becomes a COVID hotspot with 137 cases. It has ties to Donald Trump.

The man who runs the school was reportedly asked by Trump to "anoint every door in the White House" with olive oil.

Someone at the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry (BSSM) wasn’t paying attention in class. The California “school” for faith healers is the latest COVID hotspot with 137 infections in the past month alone.

And, of course, the leadership of the ministry has ties to President Donald Trump’s coterie of evangelical Christian “advisors” and reportedly anointed “every door in the White House” with olive oil at Trump’s request.

“We have seen that a primary source of the transmission has occurred in off-campus living situations and social interactions outside of school hours that are common to student life,” a news release from the school said, reporting that there are currently 68 active cases.

Apparently students don’t get homework at the school.

Trump allegedly disguised the unaccredited school’s owner, Bill Johnson, as a janitor shortly after taking office and instructed him to anoint every door with olive oil in a bid to ward off demons according to the megachurch’s east coast head.

Trump has met with evangelical leaders and submitted to the anointing and “laying on of hands” ritual in photos widely circulated by the religious right.

1600 people have registered at the “school” this year to learn how to fleece gullible Christians out of their money.

Earlier this year, the school agreed to stop sending students to local hospitals to “cure” coronavirus. The church canceled missionary trips and told congregants who are feeling sick to stay home. They encouraged their over 9000 members to wash their hands frequently, too.

“We believe that wisdom, modern medicine, and faith are meant to work together, and express the value for each in the pursuit of continued health and healing,” church spokesperson Aaron Tesauro said.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2020/10/fai ... ald-trump/

We will take the allegations with a grain of sand, uh, I mean salt. :mrgreen:
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The Satanic Temple Appeals Missouri Abortion Lawsuit to US Supreme Court

SALEM, MA — The Satanic Temple (TST) has appealed a member’s reproductive rights case to the US Supreme Court in response to the Eighth Circuit Court’s dismissal of TST’s claim that Missouri abortion laws violate TST’s religious beliefs.

When TST member Judy Doe sought to terminate her pregnancy in the state of Missouri, she was faced with legal requirements that contravene her religious beliefs and were not medically necessary. Missouri mandated that she receive literature which asserts that “the life of each human being begins at conception,” and that “[a]bortion will terminate the life of a separate, unique, living human being.” Doe was also required to endure a 72-hour waiting period, designed so that the state’s position on life, which contradicts a prior legal ruling by the Eighth Circuit, will be thoroughly considered before undergoing the procedure.

TST argued in their lawsuit that the mandated imposition of religious opinions upon Satanists seeking to terminate a pregnancy violates TST’s deeply-held beliefs of bodily autonomy and scientifically-reasoned personal choice.
https://www.apnnews.com/the-satanic-tem ... eme-court/ for the rest.
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Pastor arrested for allegedly doing meth with parishioners and exorcising toddler

Police say drugs and pipe found in Lloyd Lasker Jr’s truck

An Arkansas pastor was arrested for allegedly doing meth with parishioners and conducting an exorcism on an emaciated toddler.

Lloyd Lasker Jr, who runs the House of Refuge and Deliverance Ministries church, was detained by police at a gas station allegedly in possession of methamphetamines and a pipe.

Police say they were earlier called to the church to do a welfare check and found a bruised and emaciated 21-month-old child and his mother.

The woman told them that the boy was “possessed by a demon” and the youngster was admitted to hospital with a brain bleed and malnourishment.

When police arrested 49-year-old Lasker in Mayflower, Arkansas, he reportedly admitted trying to carry out the exorcism but would not give officers any details.

Officers say he told them he did not know the drugs or pipe were in his truck but supposedly admitted taking the drug with parishioners and the boy’s mother.

When Lasker’s home was searched police found a shotgun, which as a convicted felon he was banned from possessing.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 27188.html
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Ireland:
Catholic symbols in State schools to be phased out

Move aims to emphasise multidenominational ethos of hundreds of schools

State secondary schools are to phase out a range of Catholic influences such as mandatory graduation masses, the display of Catholic symbols only and visits from diocesan inspectors.

The new rules will apply to more than 200 secondary schools run by the State’s Education and Training Boards (ETBs) – formerly vocational schools – which are officially categorised as multidenominational.

However, an unpublished document on the core values of these schools has raised concern within the sector that Catholic practices are normalised in many State schools.

State secondary schools are to phase out a range of Catholic influences such as mandatory graduation masses, the display of Catholic symbols only and visits from diocesan inspectors.

The new rules will apply to more than 200 secondary schools run by the State’s Education and Training Boards (ETBs) – formerly vocational schools – which are officially categorised as multidenominational.

However, an unpublished document on the core values of these schools has raised concern within the sector that Catholic practices are normalised in many State schools.

The “framework for the recognition of religious belief/identities of all students in ETB schools” outlines steps schools should follow to bring them into line with a multidenominational ethos. They include that any religious symbols on display must echo the beliefs of the wider school community rather than one particular religion. It also means schools that symbolically represent religious celebrations should ensure balance, such as a school displaying a crib at Christmas but also Islamic symbols for Eid.

The framework states that ETB schools will not offer religious instruction or faith formation for a particular religion during the school day. Instead schools will offer the State curriculum on religious education in which students learn about a range of different religions and beliefs.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/educati ... -1.4378103
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Oops, saw that Pyrrho beat me to the Jesus statue in another thread. :oops: (Interestingly, we used the same source.) So removed & replaced:
Whites-only church eyes small town; residents fear becoming 'hate capital of Minnesota'

The Asatru Folk Assembly bought an abandoned Lutheran church and now needs a conditional use permit to operate.

Plans by a little-known whites-only church to open in a small Midwestern town drew sharp opposition Wednesday from residents, who don't want their community known as "the hate capital of Minnesota."

Nearly 50 residents of Murdock filed into a town hall to largely voice opposition to the Asatru Folk Assembly (AFA) which wants to establish its Midwest regional center in the western Minnesota city that's home to less than 300 people.

The AFA, based in Brownsville, California, calls its teachings an "expression of the native, pre-Christian spirituality of Europe."

And on its website's "Declaration of Purpose," the church says teachings and membership are for those of strictly European bloodlines, saying, "Let us be clear: By European folks, we mean white people."

Lifelong Murdock resident Pete Kennedy told lawmakers and neighbors on Wednesday that if AFA is allowed into town, the community would be known as "the hate capital of Minnesota."

Kennedy told NBC News on Thursday that he fears other discriminatory groups could follow AFA into town and permanently tarnish Murdock's reputation.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wh ... e-n1243538

Asatru Folk Assembly
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Jeebus but when is that tired old crow gonna check out?
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Fuck.
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Catholic Bishop to Voters: 'Abortion' is the 'Sacrifice of Innocent Life' to the 'Demon Deity Molech'

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In a letter to the Catholics of Knoxville, Tenn., about the upcoming election, Bishop Richard F. Stika explains how abortion is the "pre-eminent moral issue of our time," that it mirrors the moral depravity of slavery, genocide, the Holocaust, and the "idolatrous" sacrifice of children to the "demon deity Molech," as described in the Old Testament.

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"[E]ach week in our country approximately 19,000 unborn children are 'surgically' aborted in the most horrific and painful way," states the bishop. "This number would be significantly higher if the number of 'chemical' RU-486 abortions was counted."

"Medical science is irrefutable in affirming that human life begins at conception," says Bishop Stika. "So instead of unborn children, if 19,000 Jews or Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics, or Asians were brutally executed each week in our country and their remains thrown in garbage dumpsters, would you vote for the political party that promotes and protects the right to do so?"

"Can you vote for a party whose platform clearly supports, promotes, and will do everything possible to protect the willful destruction of human life on a genocidal scale?" he asks.

He then compares abortion to when slavery was legal. "If you were alive in the mid-1800s up until slavery’s end, would slavery have been a preeminent moral issue for you, or would it have been one issue among many others that you felt equally or more important?" said the bishop. "Would you have voted for candidates of the pro-slavery political party or would you have voted for those of the anti-slavery political party?"

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As for the Holocaust, Bishop Stika explains that 6 million Jews were killed by the Nazi Party regime between 1939 and 1945, an average of 1 million deaths per year.

"Over each six-year period since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision to legalize abortion, approximately the same number of unborn children is exterminated in our country as the total number of Jewish people during the Holocaust," says the bishop.
https://www.cnsnews.com/index.php/artic ... life-demon
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Church pastor exposed as a career con artist (BBC)
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A less-subtle sort of con artist.
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God and Satan don't get blue checkmarks from Twitter?
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If you prefer it in comic form: https://imgur.com/gallery/bCqRp