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Maybe a small dose, then a half dose, then a huge slug of the virus

What’s the harm in trying?


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Press releases are one thing. Data, and how it is collected, however...

https://www.wired.com/story/the-astraze ... -to-snuff/
The problems start with the fact that Monday’s announcement did not present results from a single, large-scale, Phase 3 clinical trial, as was the case for earlier bulletins about the BNT-Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. Instead, Oxford-AstraZeneca’s data came out of two separate studies: one in the UK that began in May, and another in Brazil, which got started at the end of June. These two studies were substantially different from one another: They didn’t have standardized dosing schemes across the trials, for one thing, nor did they provide the same “control” injections to volunteers who were not getting the experimental Covid vaccine. The fact that they may have had to combine data from two trials in order to get a strong enough result raises the first red flag.
What ed said. Need to wait for the FDA sniff test...but the Oxford-AstraZeneca story appears to be somewhat dubious.
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Gary King
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AstraZeneca: "What is there to disclose? It actually doesn’t matter whether it was done on purpose or not.” This is false. Experiments require investigator control over selection & assignment. AZ assigned treatment in an accidental (not random) subsample. Show us the data!
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ed wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 12:13 pm "vaccine" and "accident" should not be used in the same sentence.
It should not. If it happens anyway, should we forego attempting to learn what we can from it?
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I think the problem is that the data analysis didn't account for the dosing error until the error was discovered. In and of itself that may not be a problem, because clinical trial data is routinely re-evaluated. The article I linked to explains other concerns, such as the need to set the parameters of a clinical trial ahead of time, not changing them along the way. Regulatory agencies can and should hold all of the pharma companies respective feet to the fire, so to speak.
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Doctors say CDC should warn people the side effects from Covid vaccine shots won't be 'a walk in the park'
  • The CDC must be transparent about the side effects people may experience after getting their first shot of a coronavirus vaccine, doctors urged during a meeting Monday with CDC advisors.
  • Dr. Sandra Fryhofer said that both Pfizer's and Moderna's Covid-19 vaccines require two doses and she worries whether her patients will come back for a second dose because of potentially unpleasant side effects after the first shot.
  • Both companies acknowledged that their vaccines could induce side effects that are similar to symptoms associated with mild Covid-19, such as muscle pain, chills and headache.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/covid-v ... park-.html
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I got those symptoms from the shingles vaccine both doses and I'll take those symptoms over severe coronavirus-induced illness any day of the week.
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↑ Or shingles. :)





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It's shady that they didn't mention any of this in the press release. I imagine that they were concerned that Pfizer and Moderna had already reported over 90% efficacy for their vaccine candidates, and that if they reported only 70% efficacy that it would be seen as a disappointment, even though 6 months ago that would have been seen as a smashing success. So they tried to spin the press release in a way that they could claim 90% efficacy even though that wasn't really well supported by the data and might be just a statistical fluke within a subset of the data.
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Yeah someone, somewhere failed at due diligence.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:28 am It's shady that they didn't mention any of this in the press release. I imagine that they were concerned that Pfizer and Moderna had already reported over 90% efficacy for their vaccine candidates, and that if they reported only 70% efficacy that it would be seen as a disappointment, even though 6 months ago that would have been seen as a smashing success. So they tried to spin the press release in a way that they could claim 90% efficacy even though that wasn't really well supported by the data and might be just a statistical fluke within a subset of the data.
Its called stock price manipulation and its very very illegal
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It's only illegal if you can prove it happened
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Sort of like election fraud
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Regular folks can post their opinions to the FDA: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -1898-0036
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https://www.reuters.com/article/idUKKBN2871A2
Suspected North Korean hackers have tried to break into the systems of British drugmaker AstraZeneca in recent weeks, two people with knowledge of the matter told Reuters, as the company races to deploy its vaccine for the COVID-19 virus. The hackers posed as recruiters on networking site LinkedIn and WhatsApp to approach AstraZeneca staff with fake job offers, the sources said. They then sent documents purporting to be job descriptions that were laced with malicious code designed to gain access to a victim’s computer.
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Are the vaccine makers going to hide the data and process from the world?
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robinson wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:01 pm Are the vaccine makers going to hide the data and process from the world?
They'll only show what they have to show. Won't reveal proprietary technology.
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Because it's not really a worldwide crisis at all
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I watched the entire presentation by Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, and it's checkmate motherfuckers.
After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared.

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same.

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths.

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201122214 ... o-covid-19
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Quick someone tell the hospitals that they are imagining their ICU overloads.
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That’s not what it means, nor did anyone but you say that

But the sarcasm tell was great
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Pyrrho wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:29 pm Quick someone tell the hospitals that they are imagining their ICU overloads.
Lockdown-weary Americans begin pandemic-changed holiday season

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COVID-19 infections and hospitalizations have spiraled in recent weeks, prompting increasingly aggressive clamp-downs in many U.S. states as the country awaits government approval of vaccines developed by drug-makers Pfizer Inc and Moderna.

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will take a formal step early next week toward deciding who gets the first round of vaccine once it is approved, with an advisory committee meeting and vote on the “allocation of initial supplies of COVID-19 vaccine” on Tuesday, according to an agenda posted on its website.

Roughly 90,000 patients were being treated for COVID-19 in hospitals on Friday, a number that has doubled in the last month amid rising infections and is the highest since the pandemic began.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/health-c ... KKBN28729G

"It’s going to disappear. One day — it’s like a miracle — it will disappear. And from our shores, we — you know, it could get worse before it gets better. It could maybe go away. We’ll see what happens. Nobody really knows."

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CDC data for 2018

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db355.htm

COVID-19

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/
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https://i.imgur.com/adV8emd.jpg

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/27/heal ... rload.html
There is no end in sight for the nation’s hospitals as the pandemic continues to hammer cities and rural areas across the country, totaling 13 million cases so far this year. And public health experts warn that the holidays may speed the already fast-moving pace of infection, driving the demand for hospital beds and medical care ever higher.

A record number of Americans — 90,000 — are now hospitalized with Covid, and new cases of infection had been climbing to nearly 200,000 daily.

Health care systems “are verging on the edge of breaking,” Dr. Michael Osterholm, a member of President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s Covid-19 advisory council, said in a podcast this month.

The public does not realize how dire the situation is, Dr. Osterholm said, and may respond only “when people are dying, sitting in chairs in waiting rooms in emergency rooms for 10 hours to get a bed, and they can’t find one, and then they die.”
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Government Model Suggests U.S. COVID-19 Cases Could Be Approaching 100 Million
The actual number of coronavirus infections in the U.S. reached nearly 53 million at the end of September and could be approaching 100 million now, according to a model developed by government researchers.

The model, created by scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, calculated that the true number of infections is about eight times the reported number, which includes only the cases confirmed by a laboratory test.

Preliminary estimates using the model found that by the end of September, 52.9 million people had been infected, while the number of laboratory-confirmed infections was just 6.9 million, the team reported in the Nov. 25 issue of the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

"This indicates that approximately 84% of the U.S. population has not yet been infected and thus most of the country remains at risk," the authors wrote.

Since then, the CDC's tally of confirmed infections has increased to 12.5 million. So if the model's ratio still holds, the estimated total would now be greater than 95 million, leaving about 71% of the population uninfected.

The model attempts to account for the fact that most cases of COVID-19 are mild or asymptomatic and go unreported.

Scientists used studies looking for people who have antibodies to the coronavirus in their blood – an indication that they were infected at some time — to estimate how many infections went undetected. Some of these antibody studies have suggested that only about one in 10 coronavirus infections is reported.

The goal in creating the model was to "better quantify the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the healthcare system and society," the authors wrote.

The model also estimated that official counts do not include more than a third of the people hospitalized with COVID-19.
That last bit sounds like a strange finding. Some people hospitalized with COVID-19 aren't included in the official counts? I wonder why not.

So if true, the true number of infections is around 8 times the official and roughly 30% of the population has already been exposed.
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I’m telling you

Covid ran rampant a year ago, a lot of people had it in November 2019
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And Dec 2019 and in Jan 2020
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The story links to the report in question:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-ar ... 80/6000389

From the PDF, page 7:
Patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 may not always test positive. Sensitivity of approved molecular diagnostic assays may be affected by the limits of detection of specific assays [10], specimen quality, source, handling, and timing of collection [11]. In a systematic review, 2%–21% of patients ultimately confirmed to have SARS-CoV-2 infection did not have a positive result unless multiple tests were performed over several days [17]. This review was used to estimate the probability that a specimen with SARS-CoV-2 will test positive (Table 2). For simplicity, since reported assay specificity has been high with false positive results ranging between 1-4% [18, 19], we did not adjust for potential false positives.
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The Italian data show Covid was all over Italy in September 2019

Big Brother no like this


It simply does not appear in the “news”
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But it shows up in the data in the US as well
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robinson wrote: Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:43 pm I’m telling you

Covid ran rampant a year ago, a lot of people had it in November 2019
If you think about it for a minute or two, that makes no sense. For starters, it would suggest that it didn't start in Wuhan, but maybe somewhere else. But also, it would have been observed. People would have been dying from it at the time.
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Outcomes Related to COVID-19 Treated With Hydroxychloroquine Among Inpatients With Symptomatic Disease - ORCHID
Study Design

Randomized
Parallel
Blinded
Placebo
Principal Findings:

The primary outcome of clinical status at 14 days assessed with a 7-category ordinal scale was 6 in the hydroxychloroquine group compared with 6 in the placebo group (p = nonsignificant).

Secondary outcomes:

All-cause death at 28 days: 10.4% of the hydroxychloroquine group compared with 10.6% of the placebo group (p = nonsignificant)
Median time to recovery: 5 days in the hydroxychloroquine group compared with 6 days in the placebo group (p = nonsignificant)
Interpretation:

Among patients hospitalized with COVID-19 infection, hydroxychloroquine was not beneficial. Hydroxychloroquine compared with placebo did not improve clinical outcomes, time to discharge, or survival. Hydroxychloroquine is not recommended for the treatment of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 infection.
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We’re people getting Covid and dying from it in 2019? This is actually a question that can be answered.
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I mean, the bodies are still here. So are tissue samples, blood and such.


But the bodies, most people are not cremated
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Meanwhile


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Yeah that puts the nail in the coffin.
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The young die as well from COVID-19, even as many engage in denial

A dangerous fiction has made its way through social media and American politics, the idea that COVID-19 is really only a danger to the elderly or those with a severe, chronic illness.

"Those who are in terrific shape, are young and have no prior illness can, indeed, become critically ill from COVID," said Nina Shapiro, a professor at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and author of the book, "HYPE: A Doctor's Guide to Medical Myths, Exaggerated Claims and Bad Advice."

"Many have died and many will die. In addition, healthy people are continuing to unknowingly spread COVID to the elderly, who, in turn, become quite ill and are at higher risk for death."

To those young adults who doubt their vulnerability to the pandemic, "I would invite them to visit our ICU and see the multiple tragedies of younger people who are infected with COVID," said Daniel S. Talmor, chairman of anesthesia, critical care and pain medicine at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/heal ... 440182002/

Delirium in Older Patients With COVID-19 Presenting to the Emergency Department

Key Points

Question How frequently do older adults (aged ≥65 years) with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) present to the emergency department (ED) with delirium?

Findings In this cohort study of 817 older ED patients with COVID-19, 28% had delirium at presentation, and delirium was the sixth most common of all presenting symptoms and signs. Among delirious patients, 16% presented with delirium as a primary symptom and 37% had no typical COVID-19 symptoms or signs, such as cough or fever.

Meaning These findings suggest that older adults with COVID-19 commonly present to the ED with delirium and that delirium should be considered an important presenting symptom of COVID-19.

Abstract

Importance Delirium is common among older emergency department (ED) patients, is associated with high morbidity and mortality, and frequently goes unrecognized. Anecdotal evidence has described atypical presentations of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in older adults; however, the frequency of and outcomes associated with delirium in older ED patients with COVID-19 infection have not been well described.

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2773106

They had coronavirus. Now they’re showing up at memory clinics with serious cognitive loss

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“I have had a handful of post-COVID patients, and they are having serious problems,” says Rondeau, a neuropsychologist who’s been treating people with memory loss for nearly two decades.

“We’re talking about people who were functioning normally (prior to contracting coronavirus), but now they’re not able to function the way they used to,” she says. “There can be neurocognitive impairment. There can be neurobehavioral impairment, or emotional impairment.”

The trend is being seen not just here in New Jersey, but at memory centers around the country and globally. The journal Neurology Today is reporting hundreds of COVID-19 “long-haulers” being treated for cognitive problems at specialty clinics set up in areas hardest hit by the virus.

Experts say it will take years of study to understand how coronavirus affects cognition and how severe or long-lasting the impact might be. But this much we already know: coronavirus is bad for the brain in ways that become immediately apparent in many people who have it.

Somewhere between 40% and 50% of percent of Covid-19 patients develop neurological or psychiatric problems while they are still in the hospital, according to Dr. Robert Stevens, a Johns Hopkins University neurologist.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/11/ ... -loss.html


'Tis just a flu… :|
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Indeed.
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So I picked up an MD, he runs a hospital, we talk about the Covid

Got the scoop on current treatment, and he confirmed what so many have said, the Covid was around a year ago, he had it. Lots of people had it in the medical world.

Lots more discussed, but fuck, will it matter?