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robinson wrote: Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:46 am Sweden has had 5 days in a row now with zero deaths from the rona
Ah, I was just mentioning you and Sweden in the other thread.

I don't know where you're getting your numbers from - your arse as usual? - but they had five deaths yesterday, and are up to an infection rate they hadn't seen since July.
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That’s one of the stories I have heard first hand from almost every medical staff from every hospital within 50 miles
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It’s sort of a running joke here
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That says nothing new beyond what we've already discussed. If a medical examiner concludes Covid contributed to a death, they include it. That isn't a falsification.
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robinson wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:10 pm Let’s just make shit up and try to scare people even more!
What do we know with out a doubt now?

It spreads by sick people infecting other people

It can be deadly for people who are already sick or weak

It is not deadly for the young

Every country that stopped travel from China and then isolated everybody else has had no pandemic at all

Countries that actually prevented anyone from spreading it had very few deaths, including no deaths since March or April

It does not spread by animals

It does not spread by any blood vector

There is no animal source of the virus, it it can be made in a lab starting with a bat virus

Most people who get an actual infection don’t die
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Any treatment seems to be contentious, which is politics not science at work
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Based on a multitude of anecdotes ( the plural of anecdote is data), it seems young people, who really do have very little respect for authorities, have been creating her immunity amongst themselves in the US

I can’t speak for any other country

It seems those high positive numbers for tests and cases are not by chance at all
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Since Twitter May censor that


Study shows long term immunity for C19
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Far more complicated than can be captured in a "Tweet".

Article in Science Immunology about the study referred to in the Tweet by Harvard University is not so ambitious:

https://immunology.sciencemag.org/content/5/52/eabe0367
In this study, we found that antibodies against the RBD region of the S protein were accurate indicators of recent severe SARS-CoV-2 infection. The presence of IgG antibodies targeting SARS-CoV-2 RBD was a highly sensitive (95%) marker of infection after 14 days from onset of illness. This is consistent with a growing body of data which demonstrate that measurement of anti-RBD antibodies can accurately classify individuals recently infected with SARS-CoV-2 (6–9). Because this study was conducted in a large cohort of individuals with known SARS-CoV-2 infection (N=343) and controls (N=1548) it provides a robust measure of the accuracy of anti-RBD antibodies.

These findings also add to emerging evidence on the persistence and decay of antibody responses following SARS-CoV-2 infection. IgM and IgA responses to RBD were short-lived and most individuals seroreverted within two and a half months after the onset of illness. However, IgG antibodies persisted at detectable levels in patients beyond 90 days after symptom onset, and seroreversion was only observed in a small percentage of individuals. The concentration of these anti-RBD IgG antibodies was also highly correlated with pseudovirus NAb titers, which also demonstrated minimal decay. The observation that IgG and neutralizing antibody responses persist is encouraging, and suggests the development of robust systemic immune memory in individuals with severe infection. This is similar to a study that reported on anti-RBD antibodies in 121 North American convalescent plasma donors up to 82 days from symptom onset (10) and a study of 1,197 Icelanders who remained seropositive by 2 pan-IgG SARS-CoV-2 antibody assays 120 days after qPCR diagnosis of SARS-CoV-2 (9). However, these findings differ with other recent studies suggesting a more rapid waning in anti-RBD titers following mild or asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection (11, 12).
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Our results, therefore, provide strong support for the application of anti-RBD antibodies as a marker of recent SARS-CoV-2 infection as well as new and detailed information related to the specificity and decay kinetics of the anti-RBD responses. The testing approach used meets the CDC’s guidelines for serologic testing (22) and has the potential to facilitate accurate diagnosis in clinical settings and the implementation of population-based studies of previous infection globally. While the association between anti-RBD-IgG and neutralizing titers and the persistence of these antibodies at late time points is encouraging, further work is needed to define the optimal antibody-mediated correlates of protective immunity.
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Virus that causes COVID-19 survives up to 28 days on surfaces, Australian scientists find
  • The virus survives on most surfaces for about six to seven days before starting to lose potency
  • On some surfaces, such as glass and paper banknotes, the virus lasts for longer than a month
  • People can be infected if they touch a contaminated surface then touch their face, nose or mouth
The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 can live for up to 28 days on surfaces such as mobile phone screens and ATMs — much longer than previously thought — new Australian research has found.

CSIRO scientists tested the SARS-CoV-2 virus to see how long it survived on surfaces such as cotton, paper, stainless steel, glass and vinyl.

Trevor Drew, director of the Australian Centre for Disease Preparedness, said the research team used the same amount of virus that would be found in someone who was infected.

"It's important to know how long this virus can last so we know how often we need to disinfect things and what sort of risk common surfaces pose," Professor Drew said.

He said the fact the virus lasted for so long on surfaces such as glass was important, with the results published today in Virology Journal.

Previous research revealed the virus that causes COVID-19 could be detected in aerosols for up to three hours and on plastic and stainless steel surfaces for up to three days.

But this new study found the virus hung around intact on most surfaces for about six to seven days before starting to lose its potency.

"What we found was that even after two weeks, there was still plenty of live, infectious virus there which could potentially infect someone," Professor Drew said.

And on some surfaces, such as glass and paper banknotes, the virus was still there after one month.

Debbie Eagles, deputy director of the Australian Centre for Disease Preparedness, said the findings were surprising.

"It seems that it lasts longer than other viruses such as influenza, which only lasts a few days, or even other coronaviruses," she said.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-12/ ... s/12752108
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Complete rubbish
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Well. That settles it then. I can't argue with that rebuttal.
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The published article:

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/art ... 20-01418-7
Methods
This study measured the survival rates of infectious SARS-CoV-2, suspended in a standard ASTM E2197 matrix, on several common surface types. All experiments were carried out in the dark, to negate any effects of UV light. Inoculated surfaces were incubated at 20 °C, 30 °C and 40 °C and sampled at various time points.

Results
Survival rates of SARS-CoV-2 were determined at different temperatures and D-values, Z-values and half-life were calculated. We obtained half lives of between 1.7 and 2.7 days at 20 °C, reducing to a few hours when temperature was elevated to 40 °C. With initial viral loads broadly equivalent to the highest titres excreted by infectious patients, viable virus was isolated for up to 28 days at 20 °C from common surfaces such as glass, stainless steel and both paper and polymer banknotes. Conversely, infectious virus survived less than 24 h at 40 °C on some surfaces.

Conclusion
These findings demonstrate SARS-CoV-2 can remain infectious for significantly longer time periods than generally considered possible. These results could be used to inform improved risk mitigation procedures to prevent the fomite spread of COVID-19.
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Oh, and

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... oronavirus
A 25-year-old was infected twice with the coronavirus earlier this year, scientists in Nevada have confirmed. It is the first confirmed case of so-called reinfection with the virus in the U.S. and the fifth confirmed reinfection case worldwide.
The Lancet published the case study:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lani ... 7/fulltext

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Genetic discordance of the two SARS-CoV-2 specimens was greater than could be accounted for by short-term in vivo evolution. These findings suggest that the patient was infected by SARS-CoV-2 on two separate occasions by a genetically distinct virus. Thus, previous exposure to SARS-CoV-2 might not guarantee total immunity in all cases. All individuals, whether previously diagnosed with COVID-19 or not, should take identical precautions to avoid infection with SARS-CoV-2. The implications of reinfections could be relevant for vaccine development and application.
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In other news, some people get more than one cold in a season.
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Well, there's something like 200 different viruses that cause what we call "the cold" so yeah. This is not completely out of left field. The coronavirus will mutate into different strains and subtypes probably too.
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I just did my daily check of the rona stats

Sweden still doing well

The countries that stopped it back in March still doing well


A lot of advanced western civilization countries still reporting a lot of new deaths
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Pfizer is getting ready to release it’s vaccine safety results

Which means the child clinical studies will start

They could be producing a vaccination before the elections
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robinson wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:28 pm Pfizer is getting ready to release it’s vaccine safety results

Which means the child clinical studies will start

They could be producing a vaccination before the elections
Not unless they've already set up facilities for large-scale production.
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Pfizer's web page:

https://www.pfizer.com/science/coronavirus/vaccine
Access to a Vaccine, Once Approved
When is the earliest the vaccine will be available to the public?
If regulatory approval or authorization is obtained, the companies expect to manufacture globally up to 100 million doses by the end of 2020 and potentially 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021.
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robinson wrote: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:28 pm They could be producing a vaccination before the elections
When you're so in love with your leader you just repeat his lies verbatim.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... articipant
Johnson & Johnson has paused all clinical trials of its experimental COVID-19 vaccine after a study participant became sick with an "unexplained illness."

In a statement on Monday, the company said it had "temporarily paused further dosing in all our COVID-19 vaccine candidate clinical trials," including a Phase 3 trial that began late last month, while it investigated the illness.

"Adverse events — illnesses, accidents, etc. — even those that are serious, are an expected part of any clinical study, especially large studies," the company said.

The Johnson & Johnson Phase 3 trial of its Janssen COVID-19 vaccine candidate involves an anticipated 60,000 adults in multiple countries, testing the safety and efficacy of a single dose versus a placebo. A two-dose regimen is being tested in a separate trial.
None of this is simple or easy.
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Of course Pfizer has things set up, they are making the vaccine already, the ones they are testing. The first batches would probably go to medical people and of course stockholders, and the military, but when you are talking about more money than one can imagine, being prepared is of the essence. The winner of this race is going to make a lot of money.

Even the runner up is going to make a lot of money. A "lot"' is an understatement.

Obviously they won't be making a billion doses by the election, nobody expects that.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... ma-donor-p
Administrators at Brigham Young University's campus in southeastern Idaho say they are "deeply troubled" by reports that students may have intentionally tried to contract COVID-19, lured by blood donation centers that are paying a premium for plasma with COVID-19 antibodies.

"Students who are determined to have intentionally exposed themselves or others to the virus will be immediately suspended from the university and may be permanently dismissed," the university said in a statement issued Monday.
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I told you
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Students and other young people have complete disregard for experts and authority figures in regards to Covid
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And they ain’t talking to the media or the government about it
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Meanwhile ....


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https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10 ... treatments
One of the world’s biggest trials of COVID-19 therapies released its long-awaited interim results yesterday—and they’re a letdown. None of the four treatments in the Solidarity trial, which enrolled more than 11,000 patients in 400 hospitals around the globe, increased survival—not even the much-touted antiviral drug remdesivir. Scientists at the World Health Organization (WHO) released the data as a preprint on medRxiv last night ahead of its planned publication in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Not yet peer reviewed:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20209817v1
Repurposed antiviral drugs for COVID-19; interim WHO SOLIDARITY trial results

These Remdesivir, Hydroxychloroquine, Lopinavir and Interferon regimens appeared to have little or no effect on hospitalized COVID-19, as indicated by overall mortality, initiation of ventilation and duration of hospital stay. The mortality findings contain most of the randomized evidence on Remdesivir and Interferon, and are consistent with meta-analyses of mortality in all major trials.
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fed ... sing-homes\
Federal health officials on Friday unveiled a plan to get yet-to-be-approved coronavirus vaccines to nursing home residents free of charge, enlisting two national pharmacy chains to help.

Such a vaccine is not yet available, and that led to skepticism from some long-term care experts. The distribution program is contingent on the Food and Drug Administration authorizing a vaccine, which does not appear to be imminent.

Under the voluntary program, trained staff from CVS and Walgreens would deliver the vaccines to each nursing home and administer shots. Assisted-living facilities and residential group homes can also participate. Nursing home staffers can be vaccinated, too, if they have not already received their shots. Needles, syringes and other necessary equipment will be included.
I am dubious that sufficient study and review has been done. While I understand that nursing home residents are an at-risk group, I'd prefer that safety and efficacy be more studied and established before administering a fast-track treatment to such a group. I am not alone:
Dr. Christian Bergman, medical director of a nursing home in Richmond, Virginia, said he is pleased the government has a plan for rapid deployment of vaccines, but he needs to see clinical data before any of his patients get shots.

“I await public release of all data concerning safety and efficacy,” Bergman said. “Without this data, I will not be able to ethically endorse this vaccine and promote it within my nursing home.”
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I saw that and it means that, so far, we have dexamethasone as the sole drug proven to help.

Not a great place to be after ten months.
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Coronaviruses are tough nuts.
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Pyrrho wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:36 pm https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/10 ... treatments
One of the world’s biggest trials of COVID-19 therapies released its long-awaited interim results yesterday—and they’re a letdown. None of the four treatments in the Solidarity trial, which enrolled more than 11,000 patients in 400 hospitals around the globe, increased survival—not even the much-touted antiviral drug remdesivir. Scientists at the World Health Organization (WHO) released the data as a preprint on medRxiv last night ahead of its planned publication in the New England Journal of Medicine.
The prospects of two of the four treatments—the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine and the HIV drug combination ritonavir/lopinavir—had faded after another large study, the United Kingdom’s Recovery trial, showed they did not increase survival in June. After analyzing that study and its own data up until then, WHO decided to drop both from the study.
There's been some criticism of the Recovery trial.
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Interesting video, but I'm a bit skeptical of the results of this study.

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robinson wrote: Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:57 am ... the 1968 Pandemic was called the Hong Kong Flu (killed over a million in 5 months)
Those who don't even know the past, are fucking morons.
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FDA has approved an antiviral medication remdesivir for COVID-19.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/fda ... id-19-drug
The drug, which California-based Gilead Sciences Inc. is calling Veklury, cut the time to recovery by five days — from 15 days to 10 on average — in a large study led by the U.S. National Institutes of Health.

It had been authorized for use on an emergency basis since spring, and now becomes the first drug to win full Food and Drug Administration approval for treating COVID-19. President Donald Trump received it when he was sickened earlier this month.

Veklury is approved for people at least 12 years old and weighing at least 88 pounds (40 kilograms) who need hospitalization for their coronavirus infection. For patients younger than 12, the FDA will still allow the drug’s use in certain cases under its previous emergency authorization.
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17 DAYS

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... ases-spike
Wales is heading into a 17-day lockdown on Friday evening, as many parts of Europe reimpose safety measures because of rising coronavirus case counts.
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"We know that if we do not act now, it will continue to accelerate and there is a very real risk that our NHS will be overwhelmed," said Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford, referring to the need to protect the National Health Service.
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Gates-funded UW study shows hydroxychloroquine doesn’t prevent COVID-19

A large clinical trial conducted by the University of Washington found that people who took hydroxychloroquine were just as likely to get COVID-19 as those who took a placebo, adding to growing evidence that the drug promoted by President Donald Trump early in the pandemic doesn’t seem to work against the novel coronavirus.

Nearly 800 people from 38 states volunteered for the trial, which was funded with $9.5 million from the COVID-19 Therapeutics Accelerator, a research fund created by The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the British philanthropy Wellcome, and others.

The goal was to find out whether hydroxychloroquine could protect people who had been exposed to the virus from getting infected and sick. Participants all had a family member or close contact who had tested positive for the virus, and were randomly assigned to get either a daily pill of hydroxychloroquine or placebo over a 14-day period. The volunteers swabbed their noses every day and sent the specimens to a lab for analysis.

Among the group receiving hydroxychloroquine, 46 people became infected with the novel coronavirus. There were 43 infections in the placebo group. The difference wasn’t statistically significant, indicating the drug had no protective effect, said Dr. Ruanne Barnabas, the UW Medicine physician and researcher who led the project.

The study also found no evidence that people who got hydroxychloroquine were less likely to develop symptoms when infected.

“I think this finding is consistent with the other randomized, controlled trials … that hydroxychloroquine, based on the strong evidence we have to date, does not have a clinically significant impact on acquisition of (the novel coronavirus) or treatment of COVID-19,” Barnabas said.

Previous randomized controlled trials have found that the drug, originally used to treat malaria, didn’t reduce death rates or odds of needing mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with COVID-19. Nor did it provide any benefit for people with mild infections who took the drug early in the course of the disease. Hydroxychloroquine also did not prevent infection when taken prophylactically by health care workers and other first responders before they were exposed to the virus.

Both the World Health Organization and the U.S. National Institutes of Health suspended clinical trials on the drug because of the mounting evidence against its usefulness.
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Pyrrho wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:46 pm 17 DAYS

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... ases-spike
Wales is heading into a 17-day lockdown on Friday evening, as many parts of Europe reimpose safety measures because of rising coronavirus case counts.
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"We know that if we do not act now, it will continue to accelerate and there is a very real risk that our NHS will be overwhelmed," said Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford, referring to the need to protect the National Health Service.
"You have had 17 days to flatten the curve! I am hopping mad!"

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https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/f ... le/2771761
Of the 225 530 excess deaths, 150 541 (67%) were attributed to COVID-19. Joinpoint analyses revealed an increase in deaths attributed to causes other than COVID-19, with 2 reaching statistical significance. US mortality rates for heart disease increased between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 (APC, 5.1 [95% CI, 0.2-10.2]), driven by the spring surge in COVID-19 cases. Mortality rates for Alzheimer disease/dementia increased twice, between weeks ending March 21 and April 11 (APC, 7.3 [95% CI, 2.9-11.8]) and between weeks ending June 6 and July 25 (APC, 1.5 [95% CI, 0.8-2.3]), the latter coinciding with the summer surge in sunbelt states.
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Local suburb is hosting a series of presentations about the virus at their town hall, free flu shots, masks required, social distancing required. Sure, gather a bunch of old people in a meeting room, with coffee and refreshments, during a pandemic, in a county that is on the verge of "going purple" because of the high number of cases. What could go wrong?
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The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
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Pfizer reporting very good preliminary results from Phase 3 vaccine trials, indicating 90% efficacy. More analyses to be done but it's looking good, looking real good. We shall see.
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How long does the immunity last? Can one still be infectious?
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Those questions take much longer to try and get an answer
still working on Sophrosyne, but I will no doubt end up with Hubris