Penn State Paterno Provides Promotion for Pedophiles. . . .

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:34 pm

Doctor X wrote:Really, they should invalidate Joe Paedophile-Protector's wins since 1998.

Which they have. Too bad the Cunt is not alive to enjoy 13th place.

--J.D.

RCC · Post by **RCC** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:51 pm

Doctor X wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Really, they should invalidate Joe Paedophile-Protector's wins since 1998.
Which they have. Too bad the Cunt is not alive to enjoy 13th place.

--J.D.

The actual penalties will probably amount to the same thing as the death penalty, just not as symbolic. Massive scholarship losses over four years, no bowl or conference championship games, and possibly most importantly the NCAA released all football players to transfer without having to sit out one year. If an exodus starts, it will be interesting if Happy Valley still fills up when they are losing 77-0 to Purdue.

Meanwhile, Penn State is still in the frozen wasteland of the northern PA steppes while most skill players come out of the south. Their main local recruiting rivals, Ohio State and WVU are on the ascendancy. They were sliding out of elite status before this happened, now it will be more like a plunge.

Also, how about being Bobby Bowden this AM? He's back on top as far as D1A goes, but given how it happened I bet he wishes he wasn't. Talk about weird guilt feelings, not his fault, but he's now #1 because of a series of rapes.

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:00 pm

Doctor X wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Really, they should invalidate Joe Paedophile-Protector's wins since 1998.
Which they have. Too bad the Cunt is not alive to enjoy 13th place.

--J.D.

It didn't even occur to me that they could take away wins retroactively.

I don't suppose that the teams they played are credited with victories?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ ... 56427630/1

Emmert also stripped Penn State of its wins between 1998 and 2011, meaning that former coach Joe Paterno is no longer major college football's all-time winningest coach. A total of 111 have been erased from Paterno's previous win total of 409.

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:03 pm

RCC wrote:
Doctor X wrote:
Doctor X wrote:Really, they should invalidate Joe Paedophile-Protector's wins since 1998.
Which they have. Too bad the Cunt is not alive to enjoy 13th place.

--J.D.
The actual penalties will probably amount to the same thing as the death penalty, just not as symbolic. Massive scholarship losses over four years, no bowl or conference championship games, and possibly most importantly the NCAA released all football players to transfer without having to sit out one year. If an exodus starts, it will be interesting if Happy Valley still fills up when they are losing 77-0 to Purdue.

Since players get to choose where to go to college, it's hard to imagine many top prospects choosing Penn State anytime soon.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:05 pm

Anaxagoras wrote:Since players get to choose where to go to college, it's hard to imagine many top prospects choosing Penn State anytime soon.

Particularly with a guarantee that the player will NOT see a bowl game. That is a big strike for a prospect with NFL aspirations. He also knows scouts will take the school far less seriously. As one pundit/guru explained it, the NCAA bent their own rules so that teams picking up these players--who are leaving in droves--will be able to add on the scholarship. In other words, if you are only allowed, say, 20 scholarships, you can add former Penn State players and those who committed without it going against that total. So there is every incentive for other schools to snatch up these players.

Regarding you previous question, they can and do. Schools have been stripped of Final Four appearances even national titles:

USC Stripped of 2004 National Title

See the Olympics and other sports who happily retroactively enforce their rules. Something MLB may wish to consider when someone actually alive is running it. But I digress. . . .

I had the opportunity to hear the announcement. It is correct: the "death penalty" has a connotation. From a pure greedy not-caring-about-the-past, Penn State would have preferred the Death Penalty [Tm.--Ed.]. The infamous school that first received it received only a ONE year ban. They chose to keep it shut down for two. But there problem--nicely portrayed in an ESPN "30-for-30" documentary--they did not have the ability to attract top prospects without paying them. This is why they continued after the NCAA caught them. Without that, they quickly sank and other teams moved on.

A one to two-year ban--leave aside calls for "5-10-FOREVERSSS!" bans--would hurt but, as one Talking Head put it, Coach Bill O'Brien could argue to prospects and their parents that they could be part of a rebuilding of Penn State, "new legacy you will build, blah . . . blah." The lose of eligibility and scholarships pretty much kills any attractiveness for the next five years and probably longer. What prospect wishes to start up in a "loser school." He wants to be seen, get a chance to win, be seen, be seen winning, be seen, et cetera.

I see the argument for a Death Penalty for five years, but consider this--just thought of it--NOW all of the idiot Penn State supporters who STILL try to apologize for "Joe Pa" and the rest will have to watch their team SUCK for five to ten years. There will be games. There will be "real games." I have not looked to see if the Big Ten have ruled, but Penn State becomes a Bye Week on any schedule. It will be miserable for these types of people whose money and support rather drove the whole thing. Paterno had power because he generated $$$$ from alumni, fans, boosters, television contracts, and all of that.

Just ask Red Sox fans how they feel currently.

Fuck you!

That is the future of Penn State for the next half to probably whole decade.

--J.D.

--J.D.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:38 pm

Oh and the Paterno family needs the shit the fuck up, now.

--J.D.

RCC · Post by **RCC** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:11 pm

The zombie penalty?

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:15 am

Institutions erasing Paterno’s name from honors, awards

STATE COLLEGE MURAL (HALO ONLY)

A mural titled “Inspiration” including Paterno and Sandusky and other members of the State College community was painted near campus 12 years ago. After Sandusky was charged, his likeness was painted over. After Paterno died, artist Michael Pilato added a halo, to signify his death, not his holiness. After the release of the Freeh Report, he painted over the halo. He added a large blue ribbon, instead, on Paterno’s lapel symbolizing support for child abuse victims. Sandusky has been convicted and is awaiting sentencing.

Dude was actually painted in a mural with a halo? A fucking halo?

Like I said before, too many parallels with religion.

BTW, a halo does not symbolize a person's death, it symbolizes holiness.

Pyrrho · Post by **Pyrrho** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:17 am

The backlash against the victims is going to be vicious.

ed · Post by ed » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:38 pm

I was wondering about this. Since local law enforcement didn't discharge their duties adequately (harumph), could this be a Federal Civil Rights case? Isn't there a parallel between what happened in the deep south in the 60's and what happened in PA? No one can deny that these kids were denied their civil rights, correct?

Grammatron · Post by **Grammatron** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:51 pm

Speaking of terrible jokes about the whole situation.

Cool Hand · Post by **Cool Hand** » Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:18 pm

ed wrote:I was wondering about this. Since local law enforcement didn't discharge their duties adequately (harumph), could this be a Federal Civil Rights case? Isn't there a parallel between what happened in the deep south in the 60's and what happened in PA? No one can deny that these kids were denied their civil rights, correct?

[off the cuff]

Local law enforcement? I thought it was only Penn State University officials who failed to discharge their duty to report the crimes to local law enforcement officials.

To maintain a federal civil rights action under 42 U.S.C. Section 1983, you have to sue the individuals involved and allege and prove they were acting under color of state or local law. Further, you have to allege and prove they deprived you of a right protected by the federal or state constitution or by law. What right is that? The right not to be the victim of a crime? Where in the constitution does it say that the government must protect you from that harm? The Supreme Court has held in case in of civil tort liability actions that generally, law enforcement officials do not owe citizens a duty to protect them from or to prevent crime or criminal activities.

The victims have grounds to sue Sandusky and possibly the other living Penn State officials who had a duty to report the incidents to the local law enforcement authorities, but those are likely to be state tort grounds, such as battery and the intentional infliction of emotional distress. I doubt you could make out a good federal civil rights complaint and have it survive a motion to dismiss or motion for summary judgment. I suspect this belongs in state court as a tort action, not a civil rights case.

CH

RCC · Post by **RCC** » Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:20 pm

Grammatron wrote:Speaking of terrible jokes about the whole situation.

Gold.

ed · Post by ed » Fri Jul 27, 2012 2:34 pm

Cool Hand wrote:
ed wrote:I was wondering about this. Since local law enforcement didn't discharge their duties adequately (harumph), could this be a Federal Civil Rights case? Isn't there a parallel between what happened in the deep south in the 60's and what happened in PA? No one can deny that these kids were denied their civil rights, correct?
[off the cuff]

Local law enforcement? I thought it was only Penn State University officials who failed to discharge their duty to report the crimes to local law enforcement officials.

To maintain a federal civil rights action under 42 U.S.C. Section 1983, you have to sue the individuals involved and allege and prove they were acting under color of state or local law. Further, you have to allege and prove they deprived you of a right protected by the federal or state constitution or by law. What right is that? The right not to be the victim of a crime? Where in the constitution does it say that the government must protect you from that harm? The Supreme Court has held in case in of civil tort liability actions that generally, law enforcement officials do not owe citizens a duty to protect them from or to prevent crime or criminal activities.

The victims have grounds to sue Sandusky and possibly the other living Penn State officials who had a duty to report the incidents to the local law enforcement authorities, but those are likely to be state tort grounds, such as battery and the intentional infliction of emotional distress. I doubt you could make out a good federal civil rights complaint and have it survive a motion to dismiss or motion for summary judgment. I suspect this belongs in state court as a tort action, not a civil rights case.

CH

Equal protection?

Would child abuse be treated differently off campus?

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:19 am

The Progeny of the Pedophile Protector announced it would appeal the NCAA sanctions.

Immediate Response from NCAA: "Fuck you and the horse you road in on!"

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) -- Joe Paterno's family said it planned to appeal the sanctions imposed by the NCAA against Penn State for the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal. The governing body's response: Don't bother.

Family lawyer Wick Sollers in a letter sent Friday to the NCAA said the Paternos would like to appeal the ''enormous damage'' done to Penn State, the community, athletes and the late Hall of Fame coach. He died in January at age 85.

But the NCAA quickly rejected their plan. ''The Penn State sanctions are not subject to appeal,'' spokesman Bob Williams said.

Linkypoo

--J.D.

Skeeve · Post by **Skeeve** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:10 am

Jerry Sandusky Wants to Be Moved to General Population.

This is a request I believe that should be granted.

I know there are a lot of people who believe that Sandusky will received some “prison justice” if he is put in with other inmates.

They did serenade him the other day as if they were waiting for him.

But, we will see how the prison will treat him and if they give him some form of protection even if he doesn’t deserve it.

So, anyone want to bet, is it

A. Death Wish

B. Clever way to prep for insanity plea to lower sentence time?

C. Other

Pyrrho · Post by **Pyrrho** » Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:17 pm

Persistent delusion is not uncommon among pedophiles.

RCC · Post by **RCC** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:50 pm

Skeeve wrote: So, anyone want to bet, is it

A. Death Wish

B. Clever way to prep for insanity plea to lower sentence time?

C. Other

A: No.

B. No, he's going for good and this wouldn't be useful anyway.

C: Yes. He's so bored and stir-crazy in isolation that he wants to take his chances.

Cool Hand · Post by **Cool Hand** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:00 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Persistent delusion is not uncommon among pedophiles.

Persistent delusion is not uncommon among pedophiles criminal defendants in general, especially petty thieves, domestic violence offenders, and convicted felons facing greatly enhanced punishment due to multiple prior convictions.

CH

hammegk · Post by **hammegk** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 1:19 am

You forgot SC posters, jj being our type-section.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:34 am

Some just do not get it:

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) -- A Penn State trustee cited a need for due process in telling the NCAA on Monday that he intends to appeal college sports governing body's strict sanctions on the university for the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

Trustee Ryan McCombie said earlier Monday in a letter to fellow board members that he planned to take the action and sought an NCAA hearing. He invited other trustees to join in the appeal.

McCombie's lawyers later sent the NCAA their intent to appeal letter, saying they also represented other trustees.
Several other board members have indicated they will join the appeal, said McCombie's lawyer, Paul Kelly of the Boston-based firm Jackson Lewis. But Kelly did not provide a number or identify the other members, and said he was still gathering names.

Pedophiles? What Pedophiles?!

Fine. Now give them the death penalty in addition to the other penalties. Maybe the Cunts will learn.

--J.D.

Pyrrho · Post by **Pyrrho** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 12:17 am

The Donald weighs in:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/iop62l

The Penn State Board should resign based on the grossly incompetent way they handled the NCAA. They gave away the entire store & permanently ruined the school's reputation.

Anaxagoras · Post by **Anaxagoras** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:25 am

Pyrrho wrote:The Donald weighs in:

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/iop62l

The Penn State Board should resign based on the grossly incompetent way they handled the NCAA. They gave away the entire store & permanently ruined the school's reputation.

Rather vague critique there. I'd like him to say what he thinks they should have done.
Ten bucks says it's even stupider.

The reputation of the school was ruined by Sandusky, Paterno, the former president and others involved with the football program.

Has Trump had anything to say about them, or is his criticism only for the board of trustees?

Pyrrho · Post by **Pyrrho** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:51 pm

His criticism is directed at drawing more attention to himself.

grayman · Post by **grayman** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:20 pm

Joke is on the Ohio State fans who wear a T-shirt mocking the Penn State sexual abuse scandal

This week, news broke of an astoundingly stupid pro-Ohio State T-shirt making its way around Columbus using the Penn State/Jerry Sandusky child abuse scandal as a way to take a bank-shot jab at Michigan. "I'd rather shower at Penn State," the shirt read, "than cheer for the Wolverines."

Ha! Get it? Because molestation is a funny joke. Go Bucks! O-H-I-O!

All right, it's not like this is in any way sanctioned or approved by the university. To be fair, shirts with the exact same punchline have shown up at both Iowa and LSU, and we'd imagine that those universities (and the vast majority of their fans) are every bit as disgusted and embarrassed by their T-shirts. (LSU has the most to hang its head about; its T-shirt featured the grammatical error of "then" rather than "than," seemingly turning showering and rooting for a rival into items on a to-do list.)

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:42 pm

I must admit I found the above funny--as I did the "Pedobear" Penn State logo.

Dark comedy. Necessary. And, really, the ones to blame are the Cunts like Sandusky, Paterno, and everyone else who turned a blind eye and enabled Sandusky for decades.

This reminds me of Dr. Lewinsky complaining because the "Det. Lenny Briscoe" character in Law&Order Classic stated a woman was in a car, "giving a Lewinsky." Sorry . . . but these things happen.

But then again, I am the proud owner of a Spinal Tap "Bitch School" t-shirt I have never worn. . . .

--J.D.

Grammatron · Post by **Grammatron** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:48 pm

Both are funny, as always Southpark did it first and better.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/4 ... nn%20state

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:13 pm

Well played Matt and Trey . . . well played.

--J.D.

Pyrrho · Post by **Pyrrho** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:30 pm

Why it matters:

Rape charges against high school players divide football town of Steubenville, Ohio

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... er_default

Although the news writers may be unnecessarily trying to link this to the football program.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Sun Sep 02, 2012 10:12 pm

That is quite worth the "Indeed!"

--J.D.

Evolver · Post by **Evolver** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 2:51 pm

grayman wrote:Joke is on the Ohio State fans who wear a T-shirt mocking the Penn State sexual abuse scandal

This week, news broke of an astoundingly stupid pro-Ohio State T-shirt making its way around Columbus using the Penn State/Jerry Sandusky child abuse scandal as a way to take a bank-shot jab at Michigan. "I'd rather shower at Penn State," the shirt read, "than cheer for the Wolverines."

Ha! Get it? Because molestation is a funny joke. Go Bucks! O-H-I-O!

All right, it's not like this is in any way sanctioned or approved by the university. To be fair, shirts with the exact same punchline have shown up at both Iowa and LSU, and we'd imagine that those universities (and the vast majority of their fans) are every bit as disgusted and embarrassed by their T-shirts. (LSU has the most to hang its head about; its T-shirt featured the grammatical error of "then" rather than "than," seemingly turning showering and rooting for a rival into items on a to-do list.)

Police Squad beat them to it by decades (sorry, I couldn't find it in English)
[youtube]B4JHk8jooe4[/youtube]

Note the guy who comes in at about 1:10

RCC · Post by **RCC** » Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:27 am

Pyrrho wrote:Why it matters:

Rape charges against high school players divide football town of Steubenville, Ohio

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ss ... er_default

Although the news writers may be unnecessarily trying to link this to the football program.

Nah. I grew up in that area and people are absolutely insane about high school football there. It isn't so much the culture covering things up as much as the culture that makes 17 year old kids local celebrities for being able to run fast causing kids to lose all sense of perspective and do stupid shit.

I went to a football power and didn't play even though I had the size, strength, and speed to be a star.... because as a kid I saw too many people get completely fucked up over being seen as child gods.

The school I went to was directly across the river and we didn't play Steubenville because fan violence on both sides caused an end to the rivalry.

Ronin · Post by **Ronin** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:46 pm

And Cuntusky gets 30-60. I hope he lives an especially long life.

hammegk · Post by **hammegk** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:55 pm

Ronin wrote:And Cuntusky gets 30-60. I hope he lives an especially long life.

Thirty years before he can even ask for parole.

Pyrrho · Post by **Pyrrho** » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:21 pm

He'll be dead in a year.

RCC · Post by **RCC** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:29 pm

Pyrrho wrote:He'll be dead in a year.

I'll take the over on that. Until his appeals are exhausted he is demented enough to still have hope, and the Pennsylvania DOC is likely to be really careful with him given the target on his back.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:27 pm

I think people over emphasize the likelihood that famous pedophiles such as this spend prison being 24-7 gang-raped and the like. Unfortunately, I do not have the reference--a prison official calling a sports talk show, but can there be any more reliable source than a sports talk show? Perhaps a skeptic report that is called "skeptic report." Look, if it carried it on a line under the dorsal guidance feathers [Get on with it!--Ed.]

Right . . . basically, the Cunt is held in a sort of solitary/protective custody while the "System" [Tm.--Ed.] figures out what type of prisoner he is. According to Nameless Official, most pedophiles are model prisoners--they cannot continue committing their primary crime. Otherwise, they are just quiet, compliant, charming followers of the rules.

Long story short, they get to spend their time under minimal restrictions with prisoners who similarly earned such privilege. Those prisoners are not the type to want to risk losing such freedoms--potentially finishing sentences of course--by doing violence on a fellow inmate.

To my recollection, one major Priest-Pedophile was killed early in the process because of . . . "oops!" by a prisoner with "nothing to lose." This has led to just about everyone concluding it was the System [All Rights Reserved.--Ed.] turning a literal blind eye. I chalk it up to people dragging their feet.

Anyways, I would love to be demonstrated wrong with regards to pedophiles. Granted, pedophiles who engage in additional violence upon their victims--kidnapping, forcible rape--yes, I know, all pedophile rape is "forcible"--I am suggesting the ability to add charges of violence, murder, all of that to push a prisoner into a more violent population.

--J.D.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Thu Nov 01, 2012 11:08 pm

By MARK SCOLFORO (Associated Press) | The Associated Press:

Ex-Penn St. president charged in Sandusky case

The ''conspiracy of silence'' that protected Jerry Sandusky extended all the way to the top at Penn State, prosecutors said Thursday as they charged former university President Graham Spanier with hushing up child sexual abuse allegations against the former assistant football coach.

Prosecutors also added counts against two of Spanier's former underlings, Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, who were already charged with lying to a grand jury.

''This was not a mistake by these men. This was not an oversight. It was not misjudgment on their part,'' said state Attorney General Linda Kelly. ''This was a conspiracy of silence by top officials to actively conceal the truth.''

. . . .

The grand jury report included with the charges said ''the actual harm realized by this wanton failure is staggering,'' and listed instances of abuse detailed at Sandusky's criminal trial that happened after 1998.
''The continued cover-up of this incident and the ongoing failure to report placed every minor child who would come into contact with Sandusky in the future in grave jeopardy of being abused,'' jurors wrote.

. . . .

Unfortunately:

Kelly sidestepped the question when asked if Paterno, who died of lung cancer in January, would have faced charges were he alive. Paterno had said he knew nothing of the 1998 complaint, but email traffic indicates he was in the loop.

''Mr. Paterno is deceased,'' she said. ''The defendants who have been charged in this case are Curley, Schultz and Spanier, and I'm not going to speculate or comment on Mr. Paterno's relationship to this investigation.''

State Police Commissioner Frank Noonan said he was not backing off his assertion last year that Paterno had a moral obligation, if not a legal one, to tell police what he knew.

Linkypoo

--J.D.

Rob Lister · Post by **Rob Lister** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 2:50 pm

Jerry Sandusky is gearing up for another legal battle, says his lawyer: He wants better living conditions in prison. In a five-tier security rating system, Sandusky is a Level 2 prisoner—but he is living in harsher Level 5 conditions,...

"We understand the prison system is trying to balance their concerns about physical safety. We are just looking for middle ground," ...

http://www.newser.com/story/158988/sand ... tions.html

I'm okay with this. No middle ground needed. Just release him into the general prison population. Safety isn't a big concern here. I feel certain the other prisoners can fend for themselves.

grayman · Post by **grayman** » Wed Jan 02, 2013 5:19 pm

Governor plans to sue NCAA over Penn St. sanctions

The university agreed in July to the sanctions, which included a $60 million fine that would be used nationally to finance child abuse prevention grants. The sanctions also included a four-year bowl game ban for the university's marquee football program, reduced football scholarships and the forfeiture of 112 wins but didn't include a suspension of the football program, the so-called death penalty.

In announcing the news conference, Corbett, a Republican, did not indicate whether his office coordinated its legal strategy with state Attorney General-elect Kathleen Kane, who is scheduled to be sworn in Jan. 15.

Kane, a Democrat, ran on a vow to investigate why it took state prosecutors nearly three years to charge Sandusky, an assistant under legendary football coach Joe Paterno. Corbett was the attorney general when that office took over the case in early 2009 and until he became governor in January 2011.

State and congressional lawmakers from Pennsylvania have objected to using the Penn State fine to finance activities in other states. Penn State has already made the first $12 million payment, and an NCAA task force is deciding how it should be spent.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:20 am

Balless NCAA decides to remove all of the sanctions against Joe Pa.

Yup.

There is a lesson: if you have enough sycophants, you win in the end.

NCAA = Cunt.

--J.D.

You May Award The Try · Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:44 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:College football is an inherently corrupt institution and must be destroyed.

Yeah. Horrible thing that allows a bunch of mostly low income students to get an education. It has its issues to be sure, but for the most part forward progress is being made. The Sandusky situation isn't exactly standard. For every sensational case of criminal and/or sensational bullshit there are about a hundred people quietly getting an education. Although "kid from poor family and rough neighborhood escapes cycle of failure and poverty by financing degree by being a linebacker at Glenville State" isn't nearly as interesting as tales of excess at a handful of elite programs, it is generally more common.

You May Award The Try · Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:43 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
You May Award The Try wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:Horrible thing that allows a bunch of mostly low income students to get an education.
Maybe it worked that way once?

You really haven't been paying attention lately.

If anything, on the whole it has gotten better. Sensationalism creates an illusion that obscures reality. The scandals of today are the standard procedures of years past. That is progress.

The violence and corruption surrounding, say, a Harvard/Yale game in the 1900s is way worse than what we see today. Nothing like the 1980s Oklahoma program exists. There is a whole legend around George Gipp (the gipper of Notre Dame and Ronald Reagan fame) when Gipp's career would today be beyond the pale as to the rules and practices to the point it would have resulted in massive sanctions against Notre Dame.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Sat May 07, 2016 3:51 am

Oh what a surprise, "Joe Pa" knew about the abuse and helped cover it up for years:

Sandusky victim: Joe Paterno told me to drop abuse accusation

After four years of feuding over the legacy of Joe Paterno, with a few vague details about what he may have known about allegations of sexual abuse by one of his coaches, it is becoming clear there may be much more.

There are now two allegations by men who say they were sexually abused by Jerry Sandusky, who also say they reported their abuse to the legendary coach in the 1970s.

One of those allegations was made public in a court order related to a lawsuit Penn State University filed against its former insurer over who should have to pay settlements to the more than 30 men who have come forward as victims of Sandusky. ["Snip!"--Ed.]

The other has spoken to CNN, in great detail, explaining how he was a troubled young kid in 1971 when he was raped in a Penn State bathroom by Jerry Sandusky. Then, he says, his complaint about it was ignored by Paterno.

For this story, we'll call him Victim A -- in keeping with the way that authorities have labeled the Sandusky accusers.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

This man, who CNN has agreed not to identify in keeping with our policy on sexual assault victims, was just 15 in 1971 when he says Sandusky raped him.

Sandusky was 27, a budding public figure who'd played football for Penn State in the 1960s and was one year into his tenure as an assistant linebacker coach. This was long before he started his now-closed children's charity, The Second Mile, which prosecutors would later call his victim factory.

[Details of actual sexual assault and rape "snipped!" Later, his parents would try to alert Penn State officials--Ed.]

"I tell them what happened -- well, I couldn't get it out of me that I was -- I can't even tell it to this day. It's just degrading -- that I was raped," he said.

"I told the story up to a certain point. I told them that he grabbed me and that I got the hell out of there."

They accused him of making it up. "'Stop this right now! We'll call the authorities,'" he said they told him.

Victim A says he couldn't think. "I just wanted to get off the phone."

The men on the phone had introduced themselves as Jim and Joe, he said. He had no idea who Jim was, and can't, to this day, say for sure.

"There was no question in my mind who Joe was," he said. "I've heard that voice a million times. It was Joe Paterno."

Sara Ganim, CNN

--J.D.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:47 pm

More evidences--thanks--the Cunt knew and simply did not care:

Will Hobson & Cindy Boren:

A man testified in court in 2014 that Penn State football coach Joe Paterno ignored his complaints of a sexual assault committed by assistant coach Jerry Sandusky in 1976 when the man was a 14-year-old boy, according to new court documents unsealed Tuesday in a Philadelphia court.

The victim, who was identified in court records as John Doe 150, said that while he was attending a football camp at Penn State, Sandusky touched him as he showered. Sandusky’s finger penetrated the boy’s rectum, Doe testified in court in 2014, and the victim asked to speak with Paterno about it. Doe testified that he specifically told Paterno that Sandusky had sexually assaulted him, and Paterno ignored it.

“Is it accurate that Coach Paterno quickly said to you, ‘I don’t want to hear about any of that kind of stuff, I have a football season to worry about?'” the man’s lawyer asked him in 2014. At least he has his priorities. . . .

“Specifically. Yes … I was shocked, disappointed, offended. I was insulted… I said, is that all you’re going to do? You’re not going to do anything else?”

Paterno, the man testified, just walked away.

Washington Post

You can see a nice picture of the statue of the Cunt that his Turd supporters want re-erected.

This article covers similar ground but adds details of how this could really hurt Penn State financially:

Chip Patterson:

According to PennLive.com, Pennsylvania Manufacturers Association Insurance Co. has claimed in court that Penn State had a duty to inform it of incidents that could result in liability exposure. Therefore, instances of Sandusky's alleged abuse that were witnessed by school employees (coaches) but not reported should take PMA off the hook for helping Penn State with the financials of the settlements.

Risk management expert Raymond Williams, in a report obtained by PennLive, has pointed to six different instances where Penn State should have reported Sandusky's behavior. Two of the cases have been tested in court and resulted in criminal convictions, and all six have resulted in settlement payments.

Also in the unsealed documents was testimony that former Penn State assistant coaches Tom Bradley and Greg Schiano knew of Sandusky abusing boys. Ex-Penn State assistant Mike McQueary named both Bradley and Schiano, now defensive coordinators at UCLA and Ohio State respectively, as coaches who either witnessed or knew of Sandusky using Penn State facilities for alleged sexual misconduct.

CBSSports

That is former incompetent couch of the incompetent Tampa Bay Buttmunchers. . . .

More specifically, from a linkypoo from the same CBS Sports:

Jon Solomon:

When asked whether Bradley provided any details about what Schiano reported to him, McQueary replied, "No, only that he had -- I can't remember if it was one night or one morning, but that Greg had come into his office white as a ghost and said he just saw Jerry doing something to a boy in the shower. And that's it. That's all he ever told me."

McQueary placed the date of his conversation with Bradley sometime in the mid-2000s, "meaning like 2005, '06; it could have been anywhere in there." McQueary said he did not know whether Bradley reported the incident witnessed by Schiano to anyone. And why would he? That would require him to actually give a shit.

CBSSports

--J.D.

ed · Post by ed » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:31 pm

unbelieveable.

Grammatron · Post by **Grammatron** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 5:45 pm

ed wrote:unbelieveable.

Sadly the unbelievable part of this for me is how many people still support Penn and Paterno. I would understand if it was some usual, "lack of institutional control" bullshit, or even cheating, but this is just dark, indefensible shit.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 7:50 pm

Perhaps . . . perhaps corpx. I do not know.

I can "understand"--not excuse--family members retreating into denial. I can also somewhat "understand"--not excuse--those who have a hard time questioning those in power over them even if it is an imaginary power--see believers make excuses for not just Catholic priests. Molestation has occurred in other religions as well.

To that extent, I could "understand"--but not excuse--underlings of Paterno who feared his power--and he had power.

What I cannot understand would be turning a blind eye to cases where the perpetrators and victims were not family members so there is no layer of denial. Indeed, I think all states make it a legal obligation for those who encounter children--teachers, physicians, et cetera--to report any suspicion of molestation and/or abuse. Period. In an Ideal World, this should not be a legal requirement.

Paterno, in his position, had that obligation both legal and morally.

Can I "understand" his failure? He had none of the excuses. No, he simply did not want to threaten his precious football records--a game no one would give a shit about two days after it was played. He cared about himself. He had a duty. He willfully ignored it. Worse, he enabled it. He did both over and over and over again. My only regret is he did not live long enough to get sued, go to prison, see his precious statue come down. I opposed the restoration of his "wins" since that is all the fuck he cared about. Yet another reason the NCAA has no legitimacy.

So for him, corps, I do not believe that is what happened. I think he just did not care. He did not "want to know." Even though he knew, and knew, and knew again, he did not care.

--J.D.

Doctor X · Post by **Doctor X** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 5:37 am

I do not know. Understand I am not "arguing with you" as in U R WRONG ON INTERNET HITLER! All jokes aside, this Being the Internet and The Internet Being Serious, I do not wish to give the impression that I think you are anyway apologizing for Paterno or any of his other enablers. Anymore than my next paragraph means I sympathize with Nazi physicians who took part in the Holocaust. Just trying to understand it.

I could see underlings disgusted by it as you say who then say nothing more about it since "the Boss" will do nothing about it, and he clearly does not want anything done about it. It reminds me of Lifton's classic The Nazi Doctors. Briefly, part of the sick plan behind the Holocaust was to look at the removal of Jews as the removal of a disease. For years Jews had been portrayed as such. I am sure most have seen clips of a propaganda film that shifts scenes back and forth between "Jews" and masses of rats running all over the place.

The euthanasia program which presaged the "Final Solution" preached "keep the needle in the hand of the doctor!" Doctors--those who heal--would be the ones to institute "treatment." Doctors! Germans love their titles! This was not "murder" but treatment. There is an infamous propaganda film on the subject of "life not worth living" to support the euthanasia program. Move to the "Final Solution": to keep this myth going doctors chose who would live and die. They ran the "selections." It was all wrapped up in a story that this was "treatment" and "necessary."

Lifton studied a number of doctors and how they reacted to it. Some became drunks. Some, like Mengele, simply had their sadism unrestrained by the opportunity. Many, unable to see a way out, simply created another persona they wore in the camp during a selection. That does not excuse what they did, of course, nor do I imply you excuse anyone in the Penn State case.

Doctors do this as a matter of necessity--as do lawyers to some extent--try to create and act a dispassionate self so as to act and make decisions without emotions. We ["We?"--Ed.] may castigate the defense attorney for "defending the GUILTY!!1!!!"

Should doctors not treat the "GUILTY!!1!!!?"

Back to this, I would suspect but cannot prove obviously that the Schianos and the like simply became like the Nazi doctors. Each one was an individual. Some believed in "the Goal" and were willing to swallow the disgusting to pursue it. Some were too afraid of their future to act and found making up a story soothed their consciousness. I fear that a few, like Paterno, did not give a shit.

Though football--all my jokes and Fanboyism aside--is not war. It is not "life and death." The Nazi doctor could pretend that what he allowed somehow prevented the Soviets and Americans, and some British, but not the French because--really?--from raping his children and forcing them to listen to jazz.

Paterno's underlings?

So, in a way, they had less of an excuse--so to write--than those who enabled mass murder.

Paterno?

He has none of this. He knew what was going on, and he did not care because it was about his reputation. There is the tragic irony I blathered about years ago: HAD he allowed Sandusky's exposure WAY back, he would have been remembered as a saint who stood against such crimes. "Even though it hurt his program," he exposed the pedophile. Sad that I even had to write "Even though it hurt his program" as if a fucking football program matters!

I have heard enough Paterno ball-lickers--and that is all they are--try to claim that he did not know to even "nothing happened!" They make Tw00fers seem insightful.

--J.D.

Ben Trovado · Post by **Ben Trovado** » Wed Jul 13, 2016 3:51 pm

The big question: Will the knowledge and cover-up of these crimes since 1976 overshadow Deflategate?