## Deflategate

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Daniel Wallach@WALLACHLEGAL Breaking: NFL files its "Civil Appeal Pre-Argument Statement" with the Second Circuit, previewing its arguments on appeal

From his own feed:
Awesome @McCannSportsLaw find: Judge Berman reversed by Second Circuit only 13 times out of 138 appeals since 2006 (less than 10 percent)

Our Man McCann weighs in:
In court papers filed with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, attorneys for the NFL outlined the league’s anticipated legal arguments for the appeal. Unlike the one-month hearing before Judge Berman, the appellate process in Brady v. NFL will take months, if not years, to play out and an ultimate decision is likely a long way off. Assuming the NFL and NFLPA continue the appellate process to its logical conclusion, the Second Circuit will probably not rule until next summer or fall and its ruling would be followed by another appellate stage. To be sure, the league appealing Brady v. NFL is the expected move and is consistent with statements made by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell. As explained below, however, the appeal imposes risk on the NFL and possibly other professional sports leagues.

Understanding the NFL’s filing on Thursday and its significance in the case

Thursday’s filing only serves as the NFL’s “pre-argument statement.” The pre-argument statement merely informs the Second Circuit of the types of arguments the league plans to raise on appeal.

According to the pre-argument statement, the NFL first intends to argue that Judge Berman relied on the wrong federal law in determining the relevant legal standards. The league insists that Judge Berman should have relied on a federal labor law — the Labor Management Relations Act — rather than the Federal Arbitration Act. In his opinion, recall how Judge Berman highlighted that an arbitration award (which in this case was Goodell upholding Brady’s suspension) must exhibit fairness and due process. Judge Berman also placed significance on the law of the shop, which required the NFL to provide advance notice of prohibited conduct and potential discipline. In an appeal, the NFL will insist that the Second Circuit should place far greater significance on federal court deference to arbitration awards as dictated by the Labor Management Relations Act.

Second, the NFL intends to argue that Judge Berman mistakenly disagreed with Goodell's interpretation of the CBA, Goodell’s findings of fact and Goodell’s utilization of past NFL arbitration awards. Judge Berman contended that Goodell, as the arbitrator, was “not free to merely dispense his own brand of industrial justice." Judge Berman’s message indicated that he regarded Goodell as acting well beyond the permissible scope of his powers. Recall how during the hearings, Judge Berman seemed particularly interested in the NFL’s findings of fact — especially as that fact-finding related to NFL allegations of a football deflation conspiracy and to whether the league sufficiently explained under which policy Brady had been punished.

Third, the NFL plans to assert that Judge Berman wrongly relied on his disagreement with Goodell’s rulings on two issues pertaining to evidence. In his opinion, Judge Berman chastised Goodell for several topics related to evidence, including Goodell denying Brady an opportunity to review notes of witness interviews conducted by Ted Wells. In an appeal, the NFL will maintain that Goodell had the discretionary authority under Article 46 Or as more than one legal scholar has noted, the NFL is basically regurgitating its original argument which boils down to "Article 46 says Goodell can do whatever the fuck he wants." of the collective bargaining agreement to make decisions about evidence and that Judge Berman mistakenly ruled otherwise.

Lastly, the league argues that in reviewing Judge Berman’s order, the Second Circuit should do “de novo.” If adopted by the Second Circuit, the de novo standard would require the appellate court to review Judge Berman’s decision without deference to Judge Berman. The Second Circuit would thus consider the issues raised by Goodell in upholding Brady’s appeal with a fresh set of eyes and wouldn’t rubberstamp Judge Berman’s conclusions. The de novo standard is generally considered the appropriate standard for questions of law, but as the NFLPA will insist, it is not appropriate for questions of fact and arguably some aspects of Judge Berman’s decision go to factual matters.

Brady will likely win the appeal

To win the appeal, the NFL must convince at least two judges on a three-judge Second Circuit panel(the panel has not yet been named) that Judge Berman misapplied or misinterpreted the law.

First, appeals usually fail.

Second, the Second Circuit has affirmed Judge Berman’s decisions at a high rate. According to data I found through Westlaw’s excellent judicial reversal report service, 138 of Judge Berman’s decisions were appealed between 2006–15 and 104 of them (75%) were affirmed. Only 13 of those appeals (9%) led to the Second Circuit reversing or vacatingJudge Berman’s decision, with even fewer appeals leading to remand (which means a new hearing) or partial affirmation.

Third, Judge Berman’s decision in Brady v. NFL lacked obvious gaps in reasoning that can be exploited in an appeal. This was not a head-scratching opinion that seems ripe for appellate reversal. The decision was instead straightforward and, to many, logical.

The NFL losing the appeal could carry serious consequences for the league and possibly also the NBA, MLB and NHL

The NFL’s loss in Brady v. NFL at the U.S. District Court in the Southern District of New York creates precedent that can be used against the NFL in future cases. Judge Berman’s opinion indicates that the law of the shop imposes decision-making constraints on Goodell that go beyond those collectively bargained in Article 46. This ruling is now binding precedent in this particular federal court and is influential in other courts.

If the NFL loses Brady v. NFL at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, a more consequential court precedent would be set and it would be binding on other federal district courts in New York, as well as those in Connecticut and Vermont. The precedent would also carry more significant persuasion in other federal district courts than the lower court decision of Judge Berman. The league, in other words, is rolling the dice by pursuing an appeal.

The appeals process could go into 2017 or beyond

In an attempt to encourage a settlement, Judge Berman warned the NFL and NFLPA that Brady v. NFL could last years. He was right. If sometime next year the Second Circuit remands the case back to Judge Berman, he would then conduct a new hearing. Judge Berman would reserve the right to rule on issues that he previously declined to adjudicate, such as whether Goodell was unlawfully partial as the arbitrator. A second decision by Judge Berman could be met with a second appeal to the Second Circuit, with the second appeal not decided until sometime in 2017 or even 2018.

Alternatively, the Second Circuit could affirm or reverse Judge Berman’s first ruling, which would then allow the loser to petition for an “en banc” hearing before the entire Second Circuit. While en banc hearings are rarely granted, petitioning for one would take months to play out. Afterward, there would be an opportunity for the losing side to seek review by the U.S. Supreme Court. This entire appellate process could take several years. While the 38-year-old Brady is expected to play for several more seasons, it’s conceivable that he could retire before the litigation ends. A court would likely render the litigation “moot” at that point and end it.

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Have you seen the season premier of South Park.

I won't say what it's about cuz spoilers but it does touch on Deflategate.

http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s ... t=!airdate
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It was okay. The problem is Trey and Matt lost it when they hired a sexual molester as a quarter back.

That being said, even Pats Sports Dudes recommend the Cartmen Brady-Goodell-Belichick montage and a number of Boston papers [Both of them.--Ed.] have linked to it.

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NFL and NFLPA Agree and Formally Request an Expedited Hearing

A ton of Talking-Legal Heads agree that if the Appeals Court agrees, the earliest hearing will be in January or February of 2016. This is despite earlier leaks from Mike Kensil A Highly Placed NFL Source That Should Not be Confused with the Same Highly Placed NFL Source that Told Stephen A. Smith the NFL "Welcomed" the Brady Appeal with "Bring it On!"[Tm.--Ed.] that claimed the Appeals Court would rule against Brady before the end of this season.

Even the NFL came out and admitted this was "unmitigated horse-shit" [Citation needed.--Ed.] and the earliest hearing would be next year.

Our Man McCann states in his twitter feed--see linkypoos above: "NFL's appeal might also be 1st of several rounds of appeals. Case could be remanded back to Judge Berman & then more appeals, lasting years."

Heat up the popcorn maker. . . .

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The flash of light you saw in the sky was not a UFO. Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.
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Interview with Judge Berman

He does confess he may let his wife go to the Dunkin' Donuts in Main to pick up some coffee. . . .

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Yeah, I did not bother posting about Goodell's filling on his appeal because it added nothing other than whining that Judge Berman "ruled against us!" The Legal Dudes pretty much laughed at it.

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I had someone send that to me.

One thing I found interesting but did not bother posting was the release of the appeal transcript for Greg "You Givin' Me More Your Lip?!" Hardy. Basically, the NFL sat there, swallowed everything Hardy's attorney told them--like The Victim Started the Fight and Hardy was Defending Himself and . . . Like . . . She Slipped on the Bathroom Scale . . . then Fell into the Tub--without any challenge.

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The person who sent it to me found it posted at NFL.com.
He copied it before they found it and deleted it.
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Interesting . . . though I have received so many pro- anti- deflategate pictures and the like I sort have lost track of them all!

What they SHOULD be screaming about is the Michael Corleone--Sonozaki Level destruction of all who stood in their way:

"Now I settle all of Corleone Kraft Family business. . . ."

List of the Oyashiro-Sama[Stop that!--Ed.] Cursed

2. Seamen: Season practically over--like Houston, they stole your soul.

3. Dolts: Arm trouble not enough? How about we fracture your kidney? May still make the playoffs which means the draft pick will not be enough to fix your many problems. Is Andrew a "bust?" That word has been used by non-Pat-Fan-Boy reporters.

4. Squealers: Lose both your main offensive weapons. Will keep you around to beat, maybe, in a Divisional Round . . . if you are lucky.

5. Swills & Regrets: BWA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

6. Fish: "Could challenge the Patriots for the Division this season." Sure.

7. Dullass:: BWA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!

8. I Lost This Game as a Team: not only falling apart when they were The Big Challenge, The Quarterback . . . of . . . Destiny threw four picks, fumbled the ball, and got benched and now has a partially torn plantar fascia. Which means no Meanie Points for me in two weeks.

8. Roger: "I should have attended Hardy's appeal? Why? It's not like domestic violence is important. Besides, she slipped on a bathroom scale. Now where is Tom's phone? I'm told I should care about that months after the investigation. I like prunes."
and so on. But like the "Curse of the Bambino" was largely the result of the racist owner and his equally racist general managers' collective baseball incompetence, much of that is "bad luck"--Pats Fans will scream about Edelmann and Lewis--and Pure Incompetence on the part of, say, the Ravens coaching staff, the Colts coaching and general managers, and, of course, Jerry "Al Davis Baby!" Jones.

No . . . that is too rational . . . clearly she is to blame:

--J. "Only Don't Tell Me You're Innocent Carlo, Chuck, Because it Insults My Intelligence and it Make Me Very Angry" D.
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Apparently oral arguments are scheduled for March.

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But when are the double secret anal arguments?
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You seem fixated in receiving anal arguments.

Not . . . that. . . .

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From Our Man McCann's twitter--see above:
In new court filing, NFL portrays Tom Brady as engaging "unique & aggregate misconduct." Seems like NFL portrays Brady worse in every brief.
Too many are noting that Ginger is doing this because he cannot be sued for libel if stated in a federal appeal. However, the problem is he cannot base his appeal by claiming new charges. Basically, he is claiming he justly punished for parking in a handicapped parking space.

He lost that on the Brady appeal.

So his appeal has to be, basically, that the judge misapplied the law in ruling he unjustly punished for parking in a handicapped parking space. He could not, during Brady's appeal, claim that despite the fact he ruled on a parking violation, he was "4 r34lz" ruling on Brady murdering orphans. This the judge made clear. Imagine if a prosecution defends an appeal with, "but we're really sure he's guilty of other things we did not try him for nor introduced any evidence for."

He cannot introduce new evidence.

So now Ginger is trying to do it again on appeal: "not only that but now we're even MORE SURE he killed Santa!!!!"

That was Ginger's response to Brady's Peoples response to his appeal filing. The Brady response is more involved:
In a 73-page brief, Jeffrey Kessler, David Greenspan and other attorneys representing Brady and the NFLPA detailed why a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit should affirm U.S. District Judge Richard Berman’s Sept. 4 order.
. . . .
Monday’s filing is merely one of several stepsin what will be a lengthy appeals process. The process will last well into 2016 and possibly beyond. Indeed, by Dec. 21, attorneys representing the NFL will respond to Brady’s brief in a separate filing. That abomination referenced above. The two sides will then prepare for courtroom oral arguments that have been scheduled for March 3, 2016, with a decision by the three-judge panel likely to be made by early summer.
. . . .
Brady’s brief only has one legal purpose: convince the appellate judges that Judge Berman correctly applied the law in vacating Goodell’s decision. The brief is thus not designed to convert those who believe that Brady participated in a scientifically questionable ball deflation scheme into believers of Brady’s innocence. Nor is it designed to clear the Patriots of alleged wrongdoing in the 2015 AFC Championship game. The brief is simply designed to show that Judge Berman correctly applied the law. And that’s all. Something Ginger and his lawyers seem to have again forgotten.
. . . .
First, the brief reaffirms Judge Berman’s conclusion that Article 46 of the collective bargaining agreement (CBA) does not grant Goodell with unlimited authority to discipline players.
. . . .
The wording of Article 46 thus indicates sweeping discretion for Goodell. Brady’s attorneys, however, insist that Goodell cannot disregard other collectively bargained policies when applying Article 46. Those policies include stipulated fines for certain types of misconduct and requirements that players be on notice of the type of penalty they face when they engage in specific acts.

Building on that point, the brief charges that Goodell engaged in an “obstinate refusal” to observe fundamental requirements of fairness. For example, as the brief contends, Brady could not have received adequate notice that he would be subject to a four-game suspension when “no player in NFL history had ever received a suspension for alleged football tampering or failing to cooperate with a League investigation.” This is particularly the case, Brady asserts, since the only collectively bargained penalty for alleged football tampering is a fine.

The brief also ridicules Goodell for justifying Brady’s four-game suspension based on the fact that the collectively bargained performance enhancing drug (PED) policy also calls for a four-game suspension. As Brady’s brief and other materials detail, a four-game suspension for PEDs was the result of thorough negotiations between the NFL and NFLPA.
. . . .
Brady’s brief hits at several other points, including that Brady could not have received a fair hearingbefore Goodell when the commissioner denied Brady’s attorneys an opportunity to question NFL general counsel Jeffrey Pash, who edited the Wells Report—the very document used by the NFL to punish Brady The brief also takes care to vigorously defend Judge Berman, whom the NFL implied was influenced, if not star-struck, by the “celebrity” status of Brady and the NFL. Brady’s attorneys know that the three appellate judges could resent the NFL suggesting that Judge Berman, who is 72-years-old and has been a federal judge for 17 years, might be vulnerable to interpreting the law differently merely because a case features celebrity parties. Brady’s attorneys made sure to incorporate that point into the brief.

Lastly, the brief carefully details how Brady should have benefited from procedural safeguards recognized in disciplinary matters involving four New Orleans Saints players involved in Bountygate as well as matters involving Ray Rice, Adrian Peterson and Greg Hardy. For instance, in Bountygate, former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue recognized that it would be “inconsistent” with the CBA for the league commissioner to punish players without giving them advance notice. The reference to these other player matters highlighted how even though Article 46 is written in a way that seems to give Goodell nearly unlimited latitude, successful efforts by Kessler, Greenspan and other NFLPA attorneys have confined and constricted that latitude.

SI

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You cannot make this bullshit up:
Report: NFL worried about footballs deflating in chilly Minnesota
Eric Edholm: Shutdown Corner

The NFL seemed to deny the scientific premise that footballs lose air pressure because of weather conditions when it waged its deflate-gate war against Tom Brady and the New England Patriots last season.

But with temperatures reaching sub-zero for the Seattle Seahawks-Minnesota Vikings playoff game, the league appears willing to suspend its disbelief on Sunday.

According to ESPN's Sal Paolantonio, officials at TCF Bank Stadium — where temperatures might not rise above 0 degrees for Sunday's wild-card game — are concerned that the game balls could deflate below the 12.5-PSI floor.

To combat this, they're apparently switching out footballs at halftime with ones that have been left in the toasty locker room. And the ones they're using to start the game were brought out into the elements only 20 minutes prior to kickoff.

But again, we thought the Ideal Gas Law didn't exist?

We're not going to pretend that last season's AFC championship game between the Patriots and Indianapolis Colts had anything close to the same conditions — kickoff temperature last Jan. 18 was a relatively balmy 51 degrees before dropping through the course of the night closer to freezing. But the point remains that the league, in essence, dismissed the effect of temperature change on footballs then during its attempted takedown of Brady et al yet appears to be very much acknowledging that phenomenon now.

The NFL bending reality to benefit its own agendas? You don't say ...

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"It was the criticisms of Doc X, actually, that let me see more clearly how far the hypocrisy had gone." – clarsct
"I'd leave it up to Doctor X who has been a benevolent tyrant so far." – Grammatron
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Shit. That's going to end up in your sig." – Pyrrho
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### Re: Deflategate

It gets even better . . .
The Biggest Wildcard in Deflategate? Adrian Peterson.

Background from Your Humble MagNIfIcence: Goodell and NFL lost Peterson's appeal, which they are appealing. The Federal Appeals Court prides itself on issuing rulings within 90 days of oral arguments. This is about January 17th--long before oral arguments for Brady v. Gingerfag.

Both rely on cases from courts lower than the Federal Appeals level. In other words, the finding of one Federal Appeals Court is more influential to another Federal Appeals Court.

The timeliest of these matters is Deflategate, where Tom Brady’s lawyers have relied on the lower court’s holding in Peterson’s case. Because the appellate decision will almost certainly be released prior to oral argument in Deflategate, and because appeals decisions are more important precedent than decisions in lower courts, the Peterson appeal figures to have a large impact on Deflategate. Depending on the outcome, it could be favorable to either side.
The issues on appeal in the Peterson appeal differ from Deflategate, but (at least in the NFLPA/Brady’s view) relate to how Deflategate should be decided. They include:

Whether Judge Doty accurately concluded that the NFL’s arbitration officer (Harold Henderson) exceeded his authority by considering whether the suspension Peterson received was consistent with the Personal Conuct Policy in effect at the time of his conduct (instead of just looking at whether the new policy was retroactively applied).

Whether Judge Doty accurately concluded that the NFL failed to provide Peterson with adequate noticethat he could be suspended for a season for this type of conduct.

How Does This Impact Deflategate

As an initial matter,it is important to note that a federal appeals court opinion is stronger legal precedent than a district court (trial level) opinion and any internal NFL appeal (such as Bountygate and Ray Rice). So when the three-judge panel reads the Peterson Eighth Circuit opinion – and they certainly will – they will rely on the Peterson opinion more than the other cases cited in the NFLPA brief.

This is why appealing the Peterson decision was very risky for the NFL. If they lose (and the majority of appellants do), they set a strong negative precedent for future cases, including Deflategate.

How this could help Brady: This gives Brady yet another – even stronger – precedent to rely on to show that Judge Berman correctly held that Brady did not have notice that he could be suspended for four games for being “generally aware” of the actions of others. Furthermore, this weakens the NFL’s argument that Goodell had wide sweeping power to suspend under the “conduct detrimental” standard.

How this could help the NFL: The NFL has more to gain by an unlikely win in Peterson. If the NFL wins (and this would depending on the reasoning of the Eighth Circuit), the decision would likely significantly undercut the NFLPA’s notice arguments and support the argument that Goodell’s “conduct detrimental” power extended to situations similar to this. Would this be a slam-dunk for the NFL in the Deflategate appeal? No. Keep in mind that Judge Berman vacated the suspension on multiple grounds including that the NFL improperly withheld witness testimony and documents. Moreover, Berman reserved judgment on numerous other issues, which could still be winning arguments if the case is remanded back to him.

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### Re: Deflategate

One Year Anniversary

Good ol' Dan "I Thought They were Guilty Until I Read the Evidences--Thanks" Wetzel:
One year ago this week, an Indianapolis Colt named D'Qwell Jackson intercepted a Tom Brady pass in the AFC championship game.

The ball soon found its way into the hands of Brian Seabrooks, the Colts' assistant equipment manager, who was suspicious of its inflation level. He quickly had an intern measure it from the sideline (and in the approximately 48-degree temperature of Foxborough, Mass.). When it came in under the NFL minimum 12.5 pounds per square inch, everyone from Colts executives to officials and even an NFL vice president believed it was proof of blatant cheating.

The entire case worked backward from there, even if science says the psi level was probably exactly where it should naturally be and thus nothing unnatural, let alone nefarious, was occurring.

Science, of course, meant nothing in this case. At least not at the time.

What mattered was either the willful rejection or complete ignorance of it. No one in power that night in New England apparently knew what Ideal Gas Law was, let alone how it worked.

So deflate-gate was born.

One year later, Brady and the Patriots return to the AFC championship game on Sunday in Denver. Since that fateful moment an intern tested the football, Brady has gone 15-4 on the field and 1-0 in federal court. He has captured a Super Bowl and thrown 44 touchdowns against nine interceptions (with the NFL watching the footballs).

And despite the NFL stripping New England of a first-round pick, fining it $1 million and millions of fans still believing the story, you actually have to wonder if deflate-gate is finally dead … at least to anyone still paying attention. Namely, there appears to be a scientific consensus, if not unanimous opinion, that those footballs were never illegally deflated. Most of the attention on the scandal has involved the circumstantial evidence, the leaking of false and prejudicial information, the invention of testimony, the federal court drama, the humor, the alibis, the excuses, the "deflator," New York tabloid headlines, the everything. It's been wild, an all-time great media soap opera. It was easy to believe something happened. Yet early on scientists began arguing that the entire thing was really a misunderstanding of Ideal Gas Law. Bill Belichick even tried to explain it. The problem at the time is the arguments were being made with false data supplied by the NFL (which vastly overstated the numbers) and no information on how it was collected or any surrounding circumstances. That allowed someone such as "Bill Nye the Science Guy" to counter Belichick's rudimentary defense in an analysis so shallow and unscientific it was comical (it was literally on "Funny or Die"). It was widely distributed, though, and most heard that and gave up on the science, tuning out howls from the Patriots. The NFL brought in the group Exponent to handle its scientific analysis of the game balls. Exponent, of course, has been accused for decades for being hired by corporations to study and provide favorable finding on things such as the dangers of second-hand cigarette smoke, asbestos, possible automobile design flaws and even whether the Exxon Valdez needed a second hull. Exponent denies this and says its science is sound. In this case, even Exponent acknowledged that it couldn't "determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering." That didn't matter to the NFL. Exponent couldn't rule out foul play, either. [Scientist weigh in to destroy the Pasche-Well's Report and Exponent's flawed studies.--Ed.] Then there were unaffiliated retired scientists, climate experts, professional labs, even the conservative think tank American Enterprise Institute, which crushed the science of Wells' report. A fourth-grader in Sacramento discredited it for her school science fair. . . . . The most damning rebuke is from Dr. John Leonard, one of numerous professors at MIT who have tackled this case. In a popular YouTube video, the Philadelphia Eagles fan doesn't just blast Exponent's conclusions but shows the flawed methodology that failed to account for how atmospheric pressure impacted the footballs that were measured at halftime. He basically calls them hacks, and when he fixes their mistake, he essentially closes the argument out. In the months-old video he asks Exponent to explain itself. To date, it hasn't. Apparently no one has disagreed with Leonard's findings. "The Colts' balls were as much out of range as the Patriots' balls,"Leonard told a class on the deflate-gate at UNH, according to the Boston Globe. "It's pretty much an open-and-shut case, but somehow [commissioner Roger] Goodell never understood it, and still doesn't to this day." What Goodell undoubtedly understands is that for regular people, science is confusing. And since special interests have politicized it on certain subjects, a lot of Americans are quick to reject it or doubt it, no matter how absurd doing so is. In this case, the problem with science is it required time, study and patience. Deflate-gate was about winning the news cycle. 1 Year After Deflategate Science Shows Shame of it All --J.D. 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Doctor X Posts: 74090 Joined: Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:09 pm Title: Collective Messiah Location: Your Mom ### Re: Deflategate You allowed more than$10 million of your bosses’ money to be spent on an investigation, court proceeding and appeal that left you looking like you didn’t understand seventh-grade science. You’ve also put an important portion of the Collective Bargaining Agreement in jeopardy as regards to discipline and cemented an already well-earned reputation for bullying and twisting the truth.

You now have numbers in hand that will either prove you were right all along, that the Patriots footballs measured (haphazardly) last January dropped so precipitously the results couldn’t be duplicated. Or you have numbers in hand that prove you threw up all over yourself.

What do you do with these numbers?

You pretend you never wanted anyone to see them.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

So the NFL got the numbers in its "spot checks" and Goodell is “pleased to report there are no violations this year.”

Reptilian.

How many were under 12.5? How much did they deflate in similar conditions to last January’s AFC Championship Game? How much did they inflate in the heat? Did any get into the 10 PSI range on really cold days?

This stuff was really important last January through September. Studies commissioned, investigations launched, reputations dragged along behind the NFL bus. Was it all worth it?

Of course it wasn’t. And that’s why you keep it all in the dark.

CSNNE-Tom Curran
For NFL's sake, let's hope the to-be-named 3 appeal judges don't read @tomecurran's take on NFL's PSI "spot checks":

McCannSporsLaw

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### Re: Deflategate

Our Man McCann gives his opinion on the choice of Federal judges who will hear the NFL appeal:
He gives the background and then usual caveats regarding predicting how appellate judges will rule. With those important qualifiers in mind, it is time to explore the backgrounds of the three judges and look for clues on how they might rule in the Brady case.
. . . .
As a starting point, the three appellate judges generally seem to support Judge Berman’s legal reasoning. Through Westlaw’s top-notch judicial reversal report service, I found that Judges Katzmann, Parker and Chin collectively heard 57 appeals of Judge Berman’s decisions between 2000 and 2015. Keep in mind, the three judges were members of other three-judge panels in reviewing these decisions and the appellate issues in each case mainly involved areas of law unrelated to Brady’s case, such as criminal law and constitutional law. With those caveats in mind, the three judges reversed or vacated Judge Berman in 7 of those appeals—12% of the time—and partially reversed/partially affirmed him in 6 appeals or 11%. More favorably viewed, Judges Katzmann, Parker and Chin have affirmed Judge Berman in approximately three out of every four appeals. That is favorable data for Brady.

Below is my brief scouting report on each judge and what we might expect.

Chief Judge Robert Katzmann
: A 62-year-old graduate of Blah . . . Blah . . . Blah Analysis of Judge Katzmann’s record indicates that he is somewhat to the left of center ideologically. In theory, this should help Brady Very detailed discussion on grading decisions of judges.

In at least one case, Judge Katzmann ruled in a way that should lend optimism to Brady. In New York Telephone Company v. Communications Workers of America (2001), Judge Katzmann joined Judge Parker and another judge in affirming a federal district judge’s order to vacate an arbitration award. The award was a matter of dispute between union and management—the same type of scenario at play when Judge Berman ruled against the NFL last September. The three judges agreed that the arbitrator had failed to follow important rules contained in a collective bargaining agreement and case precedent and thus the award was invalid. There was one difference in the New York Telephone Company case from the Brady case: management, rather than labor, sought the vacating of the arbitration award.

Judge Barrington Parker, Jr.: A 71-year-old graduate of YBlah . . . Blah . . . Blah

Judge Parker, a native of Washington D.C., is viewed as somewhat to the right of center ideologically. His Judicial Common Space score indicates that he is conservative, with a score of 0.5. As noted above, however, he joined Judge Katzmann in the New York Telephone Company case, where the three-judge panel affirmed a district court’s decision to vacate an arbitration award. Even more encouraging for Brady, Judge Parker agreed with a district court judge in Applied Industrial Materials Corp. v. Ovalar Makine Ticaret Ve Sanayi (2007) that an arbitrator had acted with “evident partiality.” Brady highlighted this case in his legal filings because it involved an arbitrator who refused to recuse himself in spite of a conflict of interest—the same core critique Brady has leveled against Goodell. Brady’s attorney, Jeffrey Kessler, also successfully argued the Applied Industrial Materials case. That's all good news for Brady.

But in Mulvaney Mechanical v. Sheet Metal Workers International Association (2002), Judge Parker, along with two other judges, reversed a district court judge’s decision to vacate an arbitration award on grounds that the district judge had misinterpreted the significance of a strike and its relationship to arbitration. Also, perhaps troubling to Brady, in Westerbeke Corp. v. Daihatsu Motor Company (2002), Judge Parker joined two other judges in reversing a district court judge’s decision to vacate an arbitration award. Judge Parker rejected the district court judge’s conclusion that the arbitrator had exceeded permissible authority.

Judge Parker’s record is decidedly mixed as it relates to how he might rule on the NFL’s appeal.

Judge Denny Chin: A 61-year-old graduate of FordhamBlah . . . Blah . . . Blah Like Judge Katzmann, Chin’s ideology is viewed as somewhat to the left of center, with a score of -0.3 in the Judicial Common Space study. Prior to becoming a judge, Judge Chin practiced labor law extensively and thus is likely to be very familiar with the issues presented in the Brady case.

Judge Chin’s rulings on arbitration awards indicate a willingness to uphold earlier review by district court judges and to affirm arbitration awards. For instance, in A&G Coal Corp., Meg-Lynn Land Co. v. Integrity Coal Sales, Inc. (2014), Judge Chin joined two other judges in affirming a district court’s ruling to uphold an arbitration award. In that decision, the three-judge panel stressed that an arbitrator’s fact-finding is “essentially unreviewable.” This is perhaps an encouraging sign for the NFL, which stresses that Goodell’s fact-finding into allegations of under-inflated footballs, even if flawed—and critics would say contrary to science—was nonetheless permissible under the law. Judge Chin also joined in affirming district court orders to uphold arbitration awards in GMAC Real Estate v. Julius Fialkiewicz, Jr. (2012) and in Adriano Giannetti Dedini Ometto v. ASA Bioenergy Holding A.G (2014). The latter ruling featured Judge Chin joining Judge Parker in finding that even though the arbitrator may have been “careless” it was not so egregious as to warrant vacating the arbitration award.

Bottom line: The track records for these three judges are by no means conclusive. That said, they seem willing to tolerate flawed arbitrators, but only up to a degree. The National Tree of Law Professors, like radiologists, is the hedge. Also, Judges Katzmann and Chin seem willing to uphold district court decisions on arbitration awards. On balance this reflects positive news for Brady, but by no means does it lend assurance that he will win. If next Thursday’s hearing were an NFL game, one might predict a close score with Brady prevailing.

Michael McCann: Sports Illustrated

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### Re: Deflategate

Appeal has started

Case opens with the Chief Judge blasting the NFL:
Judge Katzmann opens hearing by asking how NFL can justify penalty based on "new factual findings" after Wells report.
Judge Chin: Shouldn't Brady have been given notice re destroying cell phone?

NFL lawyer Clement: destruction of cell phone amounted to "out and out obstruction." Recall that one of the major problems was Brady was told his phone was not needed and his punishment had nothing to do with the phone.

Judge Parker says some might call suspension "draconian." "Why is the inflation level so critical in these games?"

Parker questions whether you get "any advantage on the field" from under inflated footballs. Recall that many Talking Lawyer Heads claimed no investigation of the evidence would happen. Recall me warning that you simply cannot tell a Federal Judge--particularly an Appellate Judge--what he "can" and "cannot" do. I am awesome in that way.

Judge Katzmann: "As you know, stickum is prohibited..." Notes "gross disparity" between stickum penalty and Brady's punishment.

Max Law

Searching for "anime girl eating popcorn" yielded that.

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### Re: Deflategate

From above:
Katzmann says he can't find evidence in record that Brady's alleged gifts to ball boys were "inducements" to engage in scheme. About that "they can't ask about the evidences--thanks" claim?
There are now "negatives" where they question Brady/NFLPA lawyer Kessler:
Katzmann: Language of CBA gives Goodell power over "conduct detrimental."

Kessler: Notice of consequences is still required.
. . . and:
Woah. Judge Chin says evidence of ball tampering was "compelling, if not overwhelming."
Apparently Chin did not actually read the submitted Pasch-Wells Report which conceded the evidence is neither "compelling," nor "overwhelming," or even existent, nor did he read the actual science reports.

Of course, that could be unfair to Judge Chin since he may simply be imitating Goodell's reading of the evidences--thanks--and not whether or not he should have read it that way. This is a tweet without the context of his question.

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### Re: Deflategate

Throughout DeflateGate , NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and his tin-star investigators have mischaracterized facts, or flat-out omitted them in order to make New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady look guilty. But it’s one thing for the NFL to perpetuate falsehoods in its own bubble world, and quite another to do it in an actual court of law. That’s what happened before the Second Circuit appeals panel last week when NFL attorney Paul Clement improperly repeated untruths, and it should serve as evidence to those judges that the Brady arbitration is dishonest and should be tossed.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

Ever since last week’s oral arguments late Thursday, there has been a growing chorus among legal observers of the case that Clement made factual misstatements. New York Law School professor Robert Blecker, who filed an amicus brief, noticed it, and so did Houston attorney and legal blogger Stephanie Stradley, who tweeted, “Candor to the court means you are not to mislead,” and noted that judges can sanction if they are angry. The usual process is to correct the record with a letter to the court once he’s alerted to his misstatements; if Clement does not, Blecker intends to.

Sally Jenkins: The Washington Post
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“Candor to the court means you are not to mislead,” and noted that judges can sanction if they are angry.
Yikes.

This is law-license-in-peril kind of stuff. Or should be.
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Indeed, but remember someone would have to hold him to it. "Did he knowingly lie." Brady and Co. have not come out and said Goodell lied--but others have for them--and Goodell made sure to lie in court filings to shield himself from libel according to Gentlemen Skilled in this Work.

The problem is no one knows what it means. Judge Berman questioned the facts--which "HE's NOT SupPOseD TO DO!"--but based his decision on the process.

This appeals court could do the same: rule on whether or not Berman ruled properly. All of that above could be irrelevant.

I will put on the popcorn.

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Goodell disproves Deflategate
Goodell was one of approximately 120 students who participated in the school's annual science fair, and one of only eight to win the Outstanding Project Award, according to The Daily Item. The newspaper reports Goodell began his experiment with a football inflated to the NFL standard and then exposed it to different weather conditions, including humidity, snow, wind chill, cold and ice.

"Every time, it dropped two PSI [pounds per square inch]," Goodell, a Patriots fan, told the Item. "The lowest PSI recorded during deflategate was 2 PSI under proper inflation."
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Interesting.
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So I guess this means he's guilty.
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Do you even want to know what this could mean since the main angry dissent was the chief justice?

Wake me up next year. . . .

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More than 20 professors back Tom Brady in Deflategate:

Bob McGovern Tuesday, May 24, 2016

Engineering and physics professors from across the country are prepared to stand behind New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady in his ongoing Deflategate appeal, according to new court documents.

“Although sensationalized in the press, it was no surprise to any scientist that the Patriots’ footballs lost pressure during the AFC Championship,” the professors wrote in an amicus brief filed today. “So-called ‘deflation’ happens naturally when any closed vessel, such as a football, moves from a warm environment to a cold one.”

The brief, signed by more than 20 professors and filed by Washington, D.C. attorney Eric Delinsky, comes a day after Brady’s attorneys petitioned the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit to rehear the quarterback’s case against the NFL.

“Courts should not be powerless to consider the absence of scientific proof when a proceeding is so interlaced with laws of science,” the scientists argue. “We support the petition for rehearing."

“As professors, we cannot fathom how it is permissible to impose punishment for the possibility of a negligible increment of pressure loss, when underinflated footballs are common to NFL games, when laws of physics cause much larger pressure drops, and when the very possibility of an additional increment of pressure loss was generated from assumptions of the league’s choosing rather than data,” the brief states. “In the name of science, we support the petition for rehearing.”

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### Re: Deflategate

Tom is getting kind of old, so maybe this is a blessing in disguise. Gives the second-string guy a chance to get some experience and gives Tom a shorter season with fewer chances to get injured.
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### Re: Deflategate

Yeah, that has been spun that way, but I think Tom is actually pretty pissed given he did nothing and, as the reports from actual SCIENCE[!--Ed.] shows, nothing happened. Add in the fact Goodel lied continuously I think he will take this as far as he can.

How far that is? Here is the problem: EVERYONE has been wrong about predictions. He only needs to convince seven appellate judges to hear him--and one of them wrote a stinging dissent--or he can get a re-hearing from three judges.

Leaving all of that aside since it takes months, Justice Ruth Beda Guinsesbergendekurt tends to be pro-labor and she would be the one to get SCOTUS involved. Since Olsen & Co. are showing how this affects labor issues beyond this case--and we are still waiting for a decision on the Peterson case which could contradict this case at the same level which is anathema for the Federal system . . . start making a shit-load of popcorn.

It is very possible, IF he gets the en banc hearing, the re-hearing, or SCOTUS does get involved . . . he could win two more Super Bowls and retire before this is done.

In that case, I prefer cold unfiltered お酒.

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### Re: Deflategate

AFL-CIO backs Tom Brady in Deflategate saga

Bob McGovern Tuesday, May 31, 2016:

The massive umbrella federation for American unions is backing New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady in the ongoing Deflategate legal saga.

The American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations today filed a brief arguing that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell overstepped his authority when he suspended Brady.

“While the NFL and NFLPA bargained to allow the Commissioner to hear appeals of disciplinary decisions, they did not agree to let the Commissioner, sitting as an appellate arbitrator, to act in a manner that is arbitrary and capricious,” AFL-CIO attorney James Coppess wrote. “Regardless of who hears appeals, labor arbitration always must be fundamentally fair.”

The brief, which urges the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit to rehear Brady’s case, says Goodell was acting in “the self-serving role of an employer justifying his own disciplinary decision” when he punished Brady.

["Snip!"--Ed.]

But the AFL-CIO argued that Goodell was not acting as a neutral arbitrator and the circuit court panel “therefore erred in extended deference to the Commissioner’s decision.”

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### Re: Deflategate

I'm pretty sure Tom let the air out. He should just retire. That * next to his name in the books shouldn't be a problem. They're all cheaters. He'll get lost in the shuffle.