Is Chipotle promoting food woo?

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Witness wrote:It's not only a matter of "local & organic". Dunno how it's in the US but here, with cheap transport, fruits and vegetables now often come from various places far away (e. g. garlic from China, leek from Turkey, mushrooms from ex-Yugoslavia, bell pepper from Hungary, tomatoes from Spain or Morocco, &c.).

As I eat lots of raw vegetables, I can only hope the supermarket where I buy the stuff has some control of it. 8)
Interesting you mentioned that. I see a lot of that here too. You can get 3 bulbs of Chinese garlic for about half the price of 1 bulb of Japanese garlic, so about 1/6th the price.

According to Wikipedia China produces much more garlic than any other country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garlic

Looks like more than 80% of the garlic produced in the whole world is produced in China.
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Another article from the same guy. Seems like he had the same thoughts I did:

Was Chipotle too busy avoiding the fake dangers of GMOs to focus on actual food safety?

Exactly the same question I had in mind.
The news about Chipotle's food safety record keeps getting worse. In recent months, people in California, Washington state, Minnesota, Boston, and elsewhere have gotten sick after eating at Chipotle. On Monday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported another round of infections — five Chipotle customers in Kansas, North Dakota, and Oklahoma.

The run of bad news is ironic because Chipotle has actually spent a lot of time this year thinking about where its ingredients come from. Back in April, Chipotle became the first major restaurant chain to announce that all of its food was free of genetically modified organisms. Many customers saw that as a sign of progress — though others complained that some of its "GMO-free" meat came from animals fed GMO grains.

Yet study after study has found that GMO foods are perfectly safe. While genetically modified food sounds scary to a lot of people, it's been widely available in the United States for about two decades with no apparent ill effects.

So rather than pandering to groundless fears about GMO safety, Chipotle would have served its customers better by focusing on the very real dangers of food tainted with E. coli, norovirus, or salmonella.
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It will not be long before some crafty lawyer (or sets thereof) starts filing class action suits against the organic food industry (or parts thereof). And they will win.

Take Chipotle's own damning admission (brought to us by Anax above):
These produce initiatives may make it more difficult to keep quality consistent, and present additional risk of food-borne illnesses
You knew it wasn't safe and you did it anyway. You must pay.
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And the natural food tards see a conspiracy by the biotech industry

https://reason.com/blog/2015/12/23/biot ... b88a8a5ea0
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Anaxagoras wrote:Norovirus. That may not actually be the company's fault. One sick employee can do that. When I was visiting my parents a couple weeks ago there was an outbreak at a local golf tournament. Still, bad news for Chipotle.
And now the Fed's join Lister's Blame Them All To Hell movement.
Now the restaurant chain has been slapped with a federal subpoena as part of a criminal investigation into a food poisoning outbreak in August, the AP reports. The subpoena received in December mandates that Chipotle produce "a broad range of documents" in regard to a norovirus outbreak at its restaurant in Simi Valley, Calif., which Bloomberg notes sickened 234 customers and workers.
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This case isn't even the most publicized of Chipotle's recent health scares: A norovirus outbreak in Boston sickened more than 140 college students in late 2015, and an E. coli outbreak in nine states sickened more than 50, Bloomberg notes. The company's numbers are already hurting: Shares are down 37% over the past three months, per the Wall Street Journal, and Fox News reports that Chipotle predicts sales will fall 14.6% for 2015's fourth quarter—the first drop since the company went public in 2006.
http://www.newser.com/story/218578/feds ... break.html

It looks like that one employee certainly gets around. 8)

Also from the "It Can Happen to Anybody" department, here's a report from the Virginia Beach health inspection of one of their stores.
Observation (CORRECTED DURING INSPECTION): A food employee failed to wash his or her hands before engaging in food preparation, after touching bare human body parts, after coughing, sneezing, eating, after handling soiled utensils or after engaging in any activity which may have contaminated his/her hands.
Correction: Instruct food employees to clean their hands and exposed portions of their arms immediately before engaging in food preparation including working with exposed food, clean equipment and utensils, and unwrapped single-service and single-use articles and during food preparation, as often as necessary to remove soil and contamination and to prevent cross contamination when changing task.
To be fair, no all inspections of all stores were this terrible. http://healthspace.com/Clients/VDH/VBea ... f/home.xsp


One more outbreak and they'll get bought out by Taco Bell. Who, BTW has utterly revamped their menu. There are some pretty decent and varied menu items of late.
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Bumping an old thread based on the latest news. So Chipotle's problems with food safety it seems have had a lasting impact on their bottom line. When I started this thread, over a year and a half ago (April 28, 2015) Chipotle's share price was around $640/share. By early August of that year it had risen to $750, but at the latest quote it is under $400/share.
You can look at a chart of their share price here if you're curious.

Here is the latest investor news:

Chipotle Mexican estimates 4.8 percent drop in fourth-quarter comparable sales
Chipotle Mexican Grill Inc (CMG.N) said sales at established restaurants likely fell 4.8 percent in the fourth quarter and that costs came in higher than it had previously anticipated.

Chipotle's shares were down 3.2 percent at $381.99 in premarket trading.

The company said it incurred higher-than-expected expenses due to higher promotional spending and costs related to television advertising, as it fights to recover from a string of food safety lapses late last year.
It's down about 38% compared to when I started this thread and 47% from its all-time high later that year. Maybe it means that selling food woo doesn't really make good business sense in the long run?
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Back in the news.
Chipotle has closed a restaurant in Sterling, Virginia, after multiple reports of customers getting sick after eating there, the company told Business Insider.

Customers reported symptoms such as vomiting, diarrhea, severe stomach pain, dehydration, and nausea to the website iwaspoisoned.com, which first alerted Business Insider to the issues at the Sterling restaurant. One person reported two hospitalizations as a result of the illnesses.

In total, eight reports were made to the website indicating that at least 13 customers fell sick after eating there on Friday or Saturday.
http://www.businessinsider.com/chipotle ... ick-2017-7

Once you're in the news it is hard to get out of it. One sick employee can doom a franchise. Surely, since the last episode, a dozen other chains at a thousand other places also shut down. But we don't hear about those. At least not here where Lister has shorted their stock.
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They don't call it R. Listeria for nothing.
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You think they are moving the sick guy around like the Catholics move around pedophile priests?
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:II think their business model isn't sanitary enough. 8)
I really think that's the ticket. You'd they they'd learn. Advertise Organic, Sell something else that is clean. Or better supervision. They lack that. They have the meal making down to a science that doesn't require any adult leadership. So they hire none.
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Rob Lister wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:II think their business model isn't sanitary enough. 8)
I really think that's the ticket. You'd they they'd learn. Advertise Organic, Sell something else that is clean. Or better supervision. They lack that. They have the meal making down to a science that doesn't require any adult leadership. So they hire none.
How common are these types of incidents in other restaurants though? This could be like airline news, one bad story makes everything related go viral.
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Grammatron wrote:
Rob Lister wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:II think their business model isn't sanitary enough. 8)
I really think that's the ticket. You'd they they'd learn. Advertise Organic, Sell something else that is clean. Or better supervision. They lack that. They have the meal making down to a science that doesn't require any adult leadership. So they hire none.
How common are these types of incidents in other restaurants though? This could be like airline news, one bad story makes everything related go viral.
No way to know if it doesn't show up on drudge. See my post just prior.
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Estimates vary, but here's a couple of them

"We estimate that foodborne diseases cause approximately 76 million illnesses, 325,000 hospitalizations, and 5,000 deaths in the United States each year. Known pathogens account for an estimated 14 million illnesses, 60,000 hospitalizations, and 1,800 deaths."

"Jul 15, 2016 - Burden of Foodborne Illness: Findings. CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans (or 48 million people) gets sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases."

So millions of illnesses, hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations and thousands of deaths (in the U.S. alone).
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But the source is key. I've gotten sick and always [thought I] knew the source.
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Rodents Fall From Ceiling of Dallas Chipotle
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Rodent ... 76763.html
video.
A Chipotle spokesperson called it "an extremely isolated and rare incident"
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Lol.
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And they're JUST NOW getting this issue settled.
Chipotle to Pay Massive Fine for Sickening 1.1K

Restaurant chain agrees to pay $25M to resolve criminal charges related to outbreaks

(Newser) – Chipotle Mexican Grill agreed Tuesday to pay a record $25 million fine to resolve criminal charges that it served tainted food that sickened more than 1,100 people in the US in outbreaks from 2015 to 2018 and sent sales plunging. The fast food company was charged in Los Angeles federal court with two counts of violating the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act by serving adulterated food that caused four outbreaks of norovirus, which causes diarrhea, vomiting and abdominal cramps, and a food poisoning incident. The company admitted that poor safety practices, such as not keeping food at proper temperatures to prevent pathogen growth, sickened customers in Los Angeles and nearby Simi Valley, as well as Boston; Sterling, Va.; and Powell, Ohio, the AP reports.
https://www.newser.com/story/289900/chi ... -food.html

$25m / 1.1k sick people = $22.7k per person. Of course, they don't get it. I wonder what they lost/settled for in civil cases.