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People who want to climb Everest (or any other land mark for that matter) ought to have to put up the amount of money it will take to save their dumb asses if/when they get into trouble on the mountain.
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sparks wrote:People who want to climb Everest (or any other land mark for that matter) ought to have to put up the amount of money it will take to save their dumb asses if/when they get into trouble on the mountain.
Oh, they do. The government of Nepal isn't going to provide that service to wealthy foreigners for free.
This has become a profitable business for them. These days tourists typically pay around $45,000 for the privilege, and more if they require rescuing.

http://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2015/12 ... t-everest/

Interesting reading.
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Interesting to say the least. Thanks Anax.
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One of the interesting points:
Should I Use Supplemental Oxygen?

If you choose not to, you will be in a tiny group. Of the 7001 summits, only 193 climbers summited without supplemental oxygen through August 2015, or about 2.7%. But more critically, of the 282 deaths, 102 died attempting to summit without using supplemental oxygen.

Supplemental oxygen gives the body a 3,000 foot advantage. In other words, when the climber is at 28,000 feet, the body feels like it is at 25,000 feet. The main benefit of supplemental oxygen is that you feel warmer thus allowing the heart to pump blood, and oxygen to fingers and toes thus reducing the risk of frostbite.

Many people feel superior not using supplemental oxygen but climbing Everest should not be about ego – poor judgment and unnecessary risks can cost you your life. As mentioned, 2.7% climb without supplemental oxygen but 36% of the deaths are those who climbed without supplemental oxygen.
IOW, attempting to do it without supplemental oxygen increases your risk of death by more than 13-fold.
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Now it's up to 4 dead in the last 4 days, and 2 missing (which probably means dead).

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/22/asia/ ... ng-deaths/

One was a triathlete, he died of a heart attack, presumably. Being physically fit is no guarantee I guess (everyone who attempts must be quite fit of course, it would be madness not to be. Another woman died of a stroke. Young, physically fit adults.)
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https://i.imgur.com/MrAogVa.jpg
http://www.altitude.org/air_pressure.php

33% of 20% is 6.6%.

A fun tool
http://www.altitude.org/oxygen_levels.php
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And of course it varies around that 253 mmHg pressure depending on the weather so in bad weather conditions it could be even less. I don't know how low, but it seems that these deaths tend to cluster together.
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All the more reason for the benign hand of government to take over.

And, BTW, how many inner city people of color have Summited? Chicano's? Physically or mentally challenged? Quadriplegics? Hermaphrodites? Transgender? Racially Misidentified? Wops?

Clearly a committee is called for.
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http://time.com/4344556/mount-everest-d ... ing-vegan/
Woman Trying to Prove ‘Vegans Can Do Anything’ Dies of Altitude Sickness on Mount Everest
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She proved Vegans can also die of altitude sickness.

I guess.

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Grammatron wrote:http://time.com/4344556/mount-everest-d ... ing-vegan/
Woman Trying to Prove ‘Vegans Can Do Anything’ Dies of Altitude Sickness on Mount Everest
Vegan Climber Whose Wife Died on Everest: It's My Fault
(Newser) – The husband of a woman who died climbing Mount Everest earlier this month says he blames himself for her death, the Guardian reports. In an interview with Network Seven in Australia, Robert Gropel says wife Maria Strydom seemed exhausted from climbing when they were just 15 minutes from the peak. "I asked: 'Do you mind if I go on,' and she said: 'Yes, you go on, I’ll wait for you here,'" says Gropel. "From that position the summit didn’t look that far." Not realizing that she was suffering from altitude sickness, which can be lethal, Gropel kept climbing to the top of the world. "I just ran up and down and it didn’t mean anything to me," he adds. "When I made it to the summit of Everest it wasn’t special to me, because I didn’t have her there."

When he got back and they began descending, 34-year-old Strydom had trouble walking and talking and even hallucinated, possibly due to a stroke brought on by cerebral edema. With sherpa guides helping, Gropel says he gave her altitude-sickness medication and they made camp, but she got worse overnight and died in his arms on May 20. "I'm her husband, it’s my job to protect my wife and get her home and it’s just natural for me to blame myself," says the Australian. "I still can’t look at any pictures of her because it breaks my heart." Both vegans, Gropel and Strydom hoped to show the world "that vegans can do anything and more," Strydom said in March, per the Independent. Initially left behind, Strydom's body has been picked up by helicopter and flown to Kathmandu. (Meanwhile, her mother isn't satisfied by the official story.)
It doesn't matter if it's just a little bit farther to the summit, if you start to suffer from altitude sickness, it's go back immediately or die (she might have died anyway, but his decision to press on probably doomed her). Although I can understand the decision after coming so far and spending so much time and money only to have to turn back just before reaching your goal. (You have to spend some weeks at base camp just to get your red blood cell count up)
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While one can understand the emotional need of her mother to find something to blame, she can only blame herself and her idiot of a husband. I brand him an "idiot" because even those of us laying down roots in our chairs have learned, in minutes, the risks and even some of the signs and symptoms of altitude sickness. We all know the risks.

He should have as well. He and his wife perhaps knew them but ignored them.

Now that is that. No need to pile on him further.

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Anyone who goes up there and dies had it coming! You should never try to achieve anything! Look at me, I've never tried to achieve anything, and I'm successful at it!
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Vegans Can:

Do Anything
Climb Mt. Everest
Eat Meat
Walk on the moon
Go skydiving
Fight a bull
Go deep-sea diving

Hmm. Maybe they should start with less lofty goals, like lift a 10 lb weight or climb a ladder....
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Everest claims another:

Japanese climber Nobukazu Kuriki dies on eighth Everest attempt
(CNN)A Japanese climber who lost nearly all his fingers on Everest has died on his eighth attempt to summit the mountain.
Nobukazu Kuriki, in his mid-thirties, fell ill and was descending on Monday when his team lost contact with him, his team said on Facebook.
"Kuriki stopped responding to radio communication and we couldn't see his headlamp when we looked up from the bottom in the dark," the post said.

"The team near Camp 2 climbed up his route to search for him and discovered Kuriki who passed away due to low body temperature," it added. He had reached 7,400 meters.
Probably means his body will remain there like so many others.
Kuriki's suffered serious damage from frostbite during his 2012 attempt on Everest's West Ridge, losing all but one of his fingers. He could use his right thumb for grip but wasn't able to fully use an ice axe -- a critical part of a mountaineer's safety equipment.
Kuriki was no stranger to Everest's extreme conditions, from both the Chinese and Nepalese sides of the mountain.
In 2009, Chinese officials ordered him off the mountain before he could complete his climbing schedule.
Bad weather and a fatal accident with his crew ended a 2010 attempt from the Nepalese side of the mountain.
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Hmmm . . . after nearly two years . . . he sacrificed his body then his life for a goal he never achieved.

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The road to the summit of Everest is paved with frozen intentions.
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Read there is such an enthusiasm for ascending the Everest that there is a sherpa shortage. :mrgreen:
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In 2005, Eurocopter claimed a helicopter landing on the summit of Everest. It was a serial Ecureuil/AStar AS 350 B3 piloted by the Eurocopter X test pilot Didier Delsalle. They reported landing on the summit for 2 minutes before returning to Lukla.
http://www.alanarnette.com/blog/2013/03 ... n-everest/

I've got a little trouble believing that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopte ... al_history
But if it's on wiki, it's gotta be true.
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Abdul Alhazred wrote:Suppose one wishes to stand on the summit of Everest just to see what it looks like from up there, but doesn't care about all that "because it's there" shit.

Could one go up in a helicopter or something like that?

I mean without being an aviation daredevil, just ride up easy? 8)
I doubt it, not with most helicopters.

You see, the air is so thin up there, helicopters cannot fly that high. That's also why you can't even be rescued by helicopter in an emergency, except for farther down the slope.
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Ten more people have died last week. Too many people trying to summit on the same day. May seems to be the most popular month for climbing Everest.

‘It was like a zoo': Climbers reveal 'Lord of Flies' experience of overcrowded Everest
New Delhi: Ed Dohring, a doctor from Arizona, had dreamt his whole life of reaching the top of Mount Everest. But when he reached the summit a few days ago, he was shocked by what he saw.

Climbers were pushing and shoving to take selfies. The flat part of the summit, which he estimated at about the size of two table-tennis tables, was packed with 15 or 20 people. To get up there, he had to wait hours in a line, chest to chest, one puffy jacket after the next, on an icy, rocky ridge with a several-thousand metre drop.
https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.94 ... 321f49cc7e
A picture by climber Nirmal Purja shows heavy traffic of mountain climbers lining up to stand at the summit of Mount Everest. Credit:Nirmal Purja, Project Possible
He even had to step around the frozen body of a woman who had just died.

"It was scary," he said by telephone from Kathmandu, Nepal, where he was resting in a hotel room. "It was like a zoo."

This has been one of the deadliest climbing seasons on Everest, with at least 10 deaths. And at least some seem to have been avoidable.

The problem hasn't been avalanches, blizzards or high winds. Veteran climbers and industry leaders blame having too many people on the mountain, in general, and too many inexperienced climbers, in particular.

Fly-by-night adventure companies are taking up untrained climbers who pose a risk to everyone on the mountain. And the Nepalese government, hungry for every climbing dollar it can get, has issued more permits than Everest can safely handle, some experienced mountaineers say.

Add to that Everest's inimitable appeal to a growing body of thrill-seekers the world over. And the fact that Nepal, one of Asia's poorest nations and the site of most Everest climbs, has a long record of shoddy regulations, mismanagement and corruption.

The result is a crowded, unruly scene reminiscent of "Lord of the Flies"— at 8800 metres. At that altitude, a delay of even an hour or two can mean life or death.

To reach the summit, climbers shed every pound of gear they can and take with them just enough canisters of compressed oxygen to make it to the top and back down. It is hard to think straight at that altitude, climbers say.

According to Sherpas and climbers, some of the deaths this year were caused by people getting held up in the long lines on the last 300 metres or so of the climb, unable to get up and down fast enough to replenish their oxygen supply. Others were simply not fit enough to be on the mountain in the first place.
Imagine reaching the summit of Everest and then having to wait in a queue for hours just for a few moments on the tippy top. Well, the traffic jam itself seems to be deadly this time.
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Now I'm imagining a sort of cable car with a pressurized cabin... or is that similarly impractical?
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Technically possible I suppose, but building it would not be easy. And purists would hate the idea.
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"Died waiting in line."

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If there is a line then it isn't special.

An axiom.

A truth
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It's easy to forget that the air and bacteria count up there is so low that those bodies will be there for thousands of years. Imagine explorers in the distant future, making it to the top of the world's tallest mountain for the first time and discovering piles of dead bodies and selfie sticks.
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Bruce wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 10:53 am It's easy to forget that the air and bacteria count up there is so low that those bodies will be there for thousands of years. Imagine explorers people using a port-o-potty up there, in the distant future, making it to the top of the world's tallest mountain for the first time and discovering piles of dead bodies and selfie sticks.
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Sequestering carbon.

A fucking line to get to the top of Everest. Jeesus there are just too many peeps on this rock. They're working on the same for Challenger Deep.
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sparks wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 4:17 pm A fucking line to get to the top of Everest. Jeesus there are just too many peeps on this rock.
To be fair, they paid good money for this tour. They want their souvenir.

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The lady that died was holding up the line.
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I mean, where else does a person drop dead and everyone else just keeps going about their business, stepping over the body.
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New Jersey?
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Article on why everyone climbs in May:
Why Does Everyone Climb Everest in May? (Popular Mechanics, 2012)
It comes down to snow, temperature, and wind. "Mount Everest protrudes into the stratosphere, and most of the year the summit is buffeted by winds of over 100 miles per hour that will kill a climber in minutes or even hurtle them into the void," All told Popular Mechanics. "It is only during the onset or cession of the Asian Monsoon that these winds die down and allow climbers short seven- to 10-day windows to climb the mountain."

The highest recorded wind speed at the summit was a 175 mph in February 2004. For reference, a Category 5 hurricane has sustained wind speeds of at least 157 mph. Throughout the winter, hurricane-force winds pummel the summit for three days out of four.

The two windows in which those wild winds die down happen in May and September. But snow falls during the September calm, so fresh snow drifts offset the break from the wind. That's why so many people try the ascent in May, All says.
So it's the best time for the weather conditions, but it also means that most of the people who want to climb Everest in a given year all arrive at the same time.
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Anaxagoras wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 11:08 pm I mean, where else does a person drop dead and everyone else just keeps going about their business, stepping over the body.
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robinson wrote: Tue May 28, 2019 7:17 am
Anaxagoras wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 11:08 pm I mean, where else does a person drop dead and everyone else just keeps going about their business, stepping over the body.
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Here you go. Climb Everest without ever even getting off your ass.

https://thetopofmounteverest.com/#home