Either you are mighty naive about the ways of a publicity hound, or pretending to be for rhetorical effect.Are you arguing that social justice protests ...
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It seems I am not getting your point, which is why I asked for clarification. Rather than criticize me for what I do not know, it would be more helpful if you would just explain your point in more detail. Thanks.Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:49 pmEither you are mighty naive about the ways of a publicity hound, or pretending to be for rhetorical effect.Are you arguing that social justice protests ...
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Did anyone notice that Colin did not do this before he was demoted to a back-up?
Then later claimed he would stop if someone gave him a starting job rather than a back-up?
Curious.
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Then later claimed he would stop if someone gave him a starting job rather than a back-up?
Curious.
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The deal with Nike (or something very like it) is the point.xouper wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:38 amIt seems I am not getting your point, which is why I asked for clarification. Rather than criticize me for what I do not know, it would be more helpful if you would just explain your point in more detail. Thanks.Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:49 pmEither you are mighty naive about the ways of a publicity hound, or pretending to be for rhetorical effect.Are you arguing that social justice protests ...
He makes more money than many an NFL player.
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Still need further clarification of your point. Are you saying that from the very beginning, Kaepernick's primary motive for kneeling was to get more money from Nike?Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:59 amThe deal with Nike (or something very like it) is the point.
He makes more money than many an NFL player.
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He did it for notoriety, which is a salable if intangible commodity.xouper wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:41 pmStill need further clarification of your point. Are you saying that from the very beginning, Kaepernick's primary motive for kneeling was to get more money from Nike?Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:59 amThe deal with Nike (or something very like it) is the point.
He makes more money than many an NFL player.
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Here's some total trash tabloid shit about Kaepernick, from that total trash tabloid International Business Times.
Transgender Model Mia Isabella Confirms Colin Kaepernick Relationship; 49ers Quarterback Remains Silent

Transgender Model Mia Isabella Confirms Colin Kaepernick Relationship; 49ers Quarterback Remains Silent

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And so Nike scores!
Nike stock closes at all-time high in aftermath of Colin Kaepernick ad campaign (Yahoo)
Nike stock closes at all-time high in aftermath of Colin Kaepernick ad campaign (Yahoo)
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Aftermath: It's just business.
Nike has donated three times as much money to Republicans as Democrats this year (Yahoo)
Nike has donated three times as much money to Republicans as Democrats this year (Yahoo)
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He just wants to make America great again. When you do that, you imply that it at present is not great. Which is a level of disrespect. Funny as to who gets a pass when insulting this country.xouper wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:02 pmFixed it for ya.Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:37 pmOK I won't say he's a "good guy" but ...
It would have been pointless unsensational otherwise.
There are plenty of ways to bring attention to a social injustice without deliberately disrespecting the country and the people who sacrificed all for it. It seems to me that by sitting or kneeling, Kaepernick hurt his cause more than help it and has damaged the NFL in the process.
Bringing attention to social injustice by definition means getting people to hear a message they don't want to hear. That is always going to be disruptive to some degree, and those against social justice are forever going to criticize any sort of disruption to the social order while convincing themselves that it is the method and not the message they are criticizing. As if they would be more likely to hear the message were it mumbled into an empty closet in an abandoned house.
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It's just business.Bringing attention to social injustice ...
He loses nothing. He gets $3,000,000.
If that also somehow does good in the world to degree that offsets encouraging child slavery, well then good.
But it doesn't make the black kids who buy more Nikes any safer around the cops.
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So we are up to "at least 150 million" now?
Even the Black Book had it at 94m, and some of the authors of that were critical of that number as being way too high and the result of one author's obsession with getting the number to 100m.
You know why you don't keep hearing how many people capitalism has killed?
1) It's a stupid idea to put causation of a death on a broadly defined political/economic viewpoint.
2) The number would be so stupid high as to boggle the mind. By the methods of the Black Book, we can account for 100m+ dead just among Africans during colonial times. Slave trade, resource extraction, etc.
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Because it really is about getting black kids to buy more Nikes.
All else is bullshit.
All else is bullshit.
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So? International labor practices are a totally different issue. I'm not building a shrine to Nike anytime soon.Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:55 pmIt's just business.Bringing attention to social injustice ...
He loses nothing. He gets $3,000,000.
If that also somehow does good in the world to degree that offsets encouraging child slavery, well then good.
But it doesn't make the black kids who buy more Nikes any safer around the cops.
The point remains that those who do not want to hear the message aren't going to address the message. Rather the method of delivery (too disruptive, etc), and the nature of the person making the delivery. That he's getting paid, has an ulterior motive, was raised by white parents, etc. It's all avoidance by people who know they are wrong and looking for a way to sleep at night.
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Things can have multiple motivations.Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 4:58 pmBecause it really is about getting black kids to buy more Nikes.
All else is bullshit.
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Colin Kaepernick did *not* increase awareness of police brutality.
He was skillful at generating saleable notoriety for *himself*.
He only used it to make $3,000,000 and much more than that for his bosses.
And your attitude about slavery is very Sargent Schultz-like.
He was skillful at generating saleable notoriety for *himself*.
He only used it to make $3,000,000 and much more than that for his bosses.
And your attitude about slavery is very Sargent Schultz-like.
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You make unwarranted assumptions about other people's sleeping patterns .It's all avoidance by people who know they are wrong and looking for a way to sleep at night.

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lol. He's continually keeping it in the news. Likely increased BLM donations by a massive amount.Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:10 pmColin Kaepernick did *not* increase awareness of police brutality.
He was skillful at generating saleable notoriety for *himself*.
He only used it to make $3,000,000 and much more than that for his bosses.
He's been using that money and notoriety in pursuit of charitable deeds and acts, so I don't see the problem here. Nike has been (up until now silently) paying him all along, basically to do exactly that.
It's hard to dismiss someone as greedy when that person has dedicated his life and fortune to charity, but that isn't going to stop some people from trying.
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Make money from slavery, spend some of it on charity. Right. 

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Like I said. It always has to be about something else. That he isn't enough of a commie stooge to satisfy your idea of political consistency is not something I see as a useful point.Abdul Alhazred wrote: ↑Thu Sep 27, 2018 5:58 pmMake money from slavery, spend some of it on charity. Right.![]()
Standard issue conservative fallacy. When someone wants to work towards changing the capitalist system, claim that working within the capitalist system to do so is an inherent endorsement of the existing system and therefore the claim to want to change the system is hypocrisy.
...and then when someone wants to abolish the whole system, call them a nutbag commie so you win both ways.
Yawn.