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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:32 am

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The asbestos mineral is often found near talc, so it wouldn't be surprising to find asbestos fibers in baby powder. Wouldn't be such a big problem if they didn't grind the powder so fine that it becomes airborne at the slightest squeeze of the bottle.

I never really understood the use for the stuff. Babies don't need to be dry, and baby powder is a terrible drying agent anyway. Plus it makes everything smell like baby. Pew!
I don't recall using baby powder when my own kids were babies.
I changed some diapers too, being the modern, progressive sort of father that I am.
But you're right: baby powder wasn't necessary and I can't remember ever using it.

Found that Reuters report they mentioned. I guess this verdict sets a bad precedent for the company because there's probably a lot more lawsuits to come now.

Johnson & Johnson knew for decades that asbestos lurked in its Baby Powder "A REUTERS INVESTIGATION"
Facing thousands of lawsuits alleging that its talc caused cancer, J&J insists on the safety and purity of its iconic product. But internal documents examined by Reuters show that the company's powder was sometimes tainted with carcinogenic asbestos and that J&J kept that information from regulators and the public.

By LISA GIRION in Los Angeles

Filed Dec. 14, 2018, 2 p.m. GMT

Darlene Coker knew she was dying. She just wanted to know why.

She knew that her cancer, mesothelioma, arose in the delicate membrane surrounding her lungs and other organs. She knew it was as rare as it was deadly, a signature of exposure to asbestos. And she knew it afflicted mostly men who inhaled asbestos dust in mines and industries such as shipbuilding that used the carcinogen before its risks were understood.

Coker, 52 years old, had raised two daughters and was running a massage school in Lumberton, a small town in eastern Texas. How had she been exposed to asbestos? “She wanted answers,” her daughter Cady Evans said.

Fighting for every breath and in crippling pain, Coker hired Herschel Hobson, a personal-injury lawyer. He homed in on a suspect: the Johnson’s Baby Powder that Coker had used on her infant children and sprinkled on herself all her life. Hobson knew that talc and asbestos often occurred together in the earth, and that mined talc could be contaminated with the carcinogen. Coker sued Johnson & Johnson, alleging that “poisonous talc” in the company’s beloved product was her killer.
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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by shemp » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:40 am

When they make baby powder, do they dehydrate the baby before or after grinding it?
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Post by Bruce » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:47 am

Asbestos isn't "poisonous". It's just silica. Same stuff that sand is made of. Asbestos crystals just happen to be just the right size to fit inside our lung sacks and never leave. Once there, the microscopic needles pierce the lungs tissue over and over, forcing cells to divide and scar tissue to build. Eventually, cancer emerges from the runway cell division.

As long as asbestos isn't in your lungs, it's harmless. Very useful in fact. Just wish we would get over the misinformation and just find safer ways to use it rather than banning it completely. Same goes for many other substances.
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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by Anaxagoras » Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:45 am

What's not killing us this week?

Coffee, alcohol and being overweight.

I love how the headline writers summarize this study.

Alcohol, coffee could be key to living longer, UC Irvine study finds
IRVINE, Calif. (KABC) -- People who drink moderate amounts of alcohol or coffee and are overweight in their 70s live longer lives, according to researchers at the UC Irvine Institute for Memory Impairments and Neurological Disorders.

The researchers started a study in 2003 to look at what makes people live past 90.

They said participants in the study who drank moderate amounts of alcohol or coffee lived longer than those who abstained from the drinks.

In addition, people who were overweight in their 70s lived longer than people who were normal or underweight in their 70s.

To learn more about the study, click here.
On the other hand I've read that Mormons, who abstain from alcohol and even caffeine, live longer, so go figure.
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Post by Doctor X » Fri Dec 28, 2018 3:13 am

Yes, those who make it to 70 tend to die of other things than a heart attack.

Oye.

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Post by shemp » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:00 am

Indeed, as you get older your chances of dying from a bar stool fall increase.
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Post by Witness » Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:17 am

How US children and teens die: Study reveals the widespread and persistent role of firearms

The No. 2 cause of death hasn't changed much in 17 years, while prevention efforts cut the death rate from No. 1 cause -- motor vehicle accidents -- in half

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America lost 20,360 children and teens in 2016 -- 60 percent of them to preventable injuries, a new study shows. But while death rates from the top cause -- motor vehicle crashes -- have declined steadily since 1999, rates from the second-leading cause -- firearms -- have gone up. It's the first time all causes of child and adolescent death have been tallied by both mechanism and intent.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 191100.htm

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Witness wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:17 am
How US children and teens die: Study reveals the widespread and persistent role of firearms

The No. 2 cause of death hasn't changed much in 17 years, while prevention efforts cut the death rate from No. 1 cause -- motor vehicle accidents -- in half

Summary:
America lost 20,360 children and teens in 2016 -- 60 percent of them to preventable injuries, a new study shows. But while death rates from the top cause -- motor vehicle crashes -- have declined steadily since 1999, rates from the second-leading cause -- firearms -- have gone up. It's the first time all causes of child and adolescent death have been tallied by both mechanism and intent.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2 ... 191100.htm
At the end of the paper they say it is their “lane” to do something about gun deaths.

But they never say what that might mean.

What medical solution is there to the so-called gun problem, most of which are homicides?

On a related note, the leading cause of death of children under four is drowning. Shall we outlaw swimming pools and bathtubs?

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:24 pm

Four out of five doctors agree:

The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.

Coincidentally, that is also the proportion of doctors who smoked Camels in 1949. :BigGrin3:
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Post by Witness » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:38 am

From 2017:
How Canadian researchers reconstituted an extinct poxvirus for $100,000 using mail-order DNA

Eradicating smallpox, one of the deadliest diseases in history, took humanity decades and cost billions of dollars. Bringing the scourge back would probably take a small scientific team with little specialized knowledge half a year and cost about $100,000.

That’s one conclusion from an unusual and as-yet unpublished experiment performed last year by Canadian researchers. A group led by virologist David Evans of the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Canada, says it has synthesized the horsepox virus, a relative of smallpox, from genetic pieces ordered in the mail. Horsepox is not known to harm humans—and like smallpox, researchers believe it no longer exists in nature; nor is it seen as a major agricultural threat. But the technique Evans used could be used to recreate smallpox, a horrific disease that was declared eradicated in 1980. "No question. If it’s possible with horsepox, it’s possible with smallpox,” says virologist Gerd Sutter of Ludwig Maximilians University in Munich, Germany.
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Post by sparks » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:34 am

Idiots.
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Post by Witness » Mon Jan 21, 2019 2:23 am

Widespread vitamin B deficiencies in the foodchains. Long article, no firm conclusion.
Deadly deficiency at the heart of an environmental mystery

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A Sea of Possibilities

Even as researchers agree to disagree about some specific examples of wildlife in distress, Balk and others are investigating what might be the root cause of such a widespread environmental thiamine deficiency.

Balk fears that a single pervasive factor, such as an atmospheric pollutant, may be depleting the environment of thiamine at its sources, including phytoplankton and bacteria, affecting the entire food chain. To see how far the problem reaches, he is now looking at upstream terrestrial wildlife such as elk (Alces alces). Balk is also investigating whether any of several pollutants might interfere with the oxidation, hydrolysis, or synthesis of thiamine.

Tillitt, too, is casting a wider net, searching for thiamine deficiencies in water birds in the Great Lakes and moose in Minnesota. Although he is confident that alewives were the cause of fish declines in the lakes, he’s not certain what might be driving cases of thiamine deficiency seen in species elsewhere. “If there is a chemical that somehow affects thiamine, that could be extremely dangerous,” he says. “It is very important for us to understand more about it.”

But researchers need not invoke a pollutant to explain thiamine deficits, says Sergio Sañudo-Wilhelmy, an environmental biogeochemist at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles. Imbalances in phytoplankton and bacteria, both of which are primary producers of thiamine and other B vitamins, could account for the problem.

Sañudo-Wilhelmy has measured very low levels of B vitamins, including thiamine, in coastal waters around California. Other researchers have estimated similar scarcities in some areas of the open ocean. Warming waters due to climate change could explain the seawater vitamin scarcity, he says. Warmer temperatures speed bacterial growth, making the microbes consume more B vitamins than they produce—gobbling up the vitamins before the phytoplankton can take their share.
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/42/10532

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Post by Pyrrho » Fri Jan 25, 2019 2:01 am

This has been a great week for people at work who sneeze and cough without covering their noses or mouths.

Glad I got that flu shot.
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Gut Bacteria Linked to Depression Identified

The first population-level study on the link between gut bacteria and mental health identifies specific gut bacteria linked to depression and provides evidence that a wide range of gut bacteria can produce neuroactive compounds. Jeroen Raes (VIB-KU Leuven) and his team published these results today in the scientific journal Nature Microbiology.

In their manuscript entitled ‘The neuroactive potential of the human gut microbiota in quality of life and depression’ Jeroen Raes and his team studied the relation between gut bacteria and quality of life and depression. The authors combined faecal microbiome data with general practitioner diagnoses of depression from 1,054 individuals enrolled in the Flemish Gut Flora Project. They identified specific groups of microorganisms that positively or negatively correlated with mental health. The authors found that two bacterial genera, Coprococcus and Dialister, were consistently depleted in individuals with depression, regardless of antidepressant treatment. The results were validated in an independent cohort of 1,063 individuals from the Dutch LifeLinesDEEP cohort and in a cohort of clinically depressed patients at the University Hospitals Leuven, Belgium.
https://neurosciencenews.com/depression ... ria-10685/

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Re: What's killing us this week?

Post by Pyrrho » Fri Feb 15, 2019 11:55 am

This fuggin' guy

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Experts warn of deadly disease infecting deer across US

An infectious disease that can kill deer has been found in 24 states, adding to experts' fear that the disease could spread to humans.

Chronic wasting disease (CWD) has been found in wild deer, elk and moose in 24 states and two Canadian provinces by the Center for Disease Control (CDC) as of January, according to USA Today.

"It is probable that human cases of chronic wasting disease associated with consumption with contaminated meat will be documented in the years ahead," Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, said at a hearing before Minnesota lawmakers. "It’s possible the number of human cases will be substantial and will not be isolated events."

The CDC has not reported any cases of the disease being found in humans. The center warns the disease could be spread to humans by eating infected deer meet.

The disease affects deers' brains and spinal cords, leading it to be dubbed the “zombie” deer disease.
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Chemical pollutants in the home degrade fertility in both men and dogs, study finds

New research by scientists at the University of Nottingham suggests that environmental contaminants found in the home and diet have the same adverse effects on male fertility in both humans and in domestic dogs.

There has been increasing concern over declining human male fertility in recent decades with studies showing a 50% global reduction in sperm quality in the past 80 years. A previous study by the Nottingham experts showed that sperm quality in domestic dogs has also sharply declined, raising the question of whether modern day chemicals in the home environment could be at least partly to blame.

In a new paper published in Scientific Reports, the Nottingham team set out to test the effects of two specific man-made chemicals namely the common plasticizer DEHP, widely abundant in the home (e.g. carpets, flooring, upholstery, clothes, wires, toys) and the persistent industrial chemical polychlorinated biphenyl 153, which although banned globally, remains widely detectable in the environment including food.

The researchers carried out identical experiments in both species using samples of sperm from donor men and stud dogs living in the same region of the UK. The results show that the chemicals, at concentrations relevant to environmental exposure, have the same damaging effect on sperm from both man and dog.

Leading the work, Associate Professor and Reader in Reproductive Biology at the School of Veterinary Medicine and Science, Richard Lea, said: "This new study supports our theory that the domestic dog is indeed a 'sentinel' or mirror for human male reproductive decline and our findings suggest that man-made chemicals that have been widely used in the home and working environment may be responsible for the fall in sperm quality reported in both man and dog that share the same environment."
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Post by shemp » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:29 am

I guess this means I can safely fuck the bitch.
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Post by Bruce » Tue Mar 05, 2019 4:47 am

Dad opted to start chemo treatments for his stage 4 pancreatic cancer this week, even though it's only expected to extend his 3 to 6 month life expectancy by a few months. He's 67, 340lbs, and drinks about a case of Pepsi a month. Prior to the cancer diagnosis, he's never had any health problems in his life.

I was there when he met the cancer doc that will be monitoring him during the chemo treatments. He asked dad about his appetite and if he had lost any weight. No trouble there. Then the doc said, "Well, I don't want you losing any weight, and I want you to eat as much as you can."

I haven't seen my dad smile like that in years. He's been waiting for years to find a doctor who would tell him that. The only way it could have been better is if he had said, "And I want you to bathe in Pepsi every night, sleep on a pillow of hamburgers and, wrap yourself in a warm blanket made of bacon. There are no more rules. Live it up while you can."
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