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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by Pyrrho » Mon May 27, 2019 11:16 pm

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by Anaxagoras » Tue May 28, 2019 1:06 am

Article on why everyone climbs in May:
Why Does Everyone Climb Everest in May? (Popular Mechanics, 2012)
It comes down to snow, temperature, and wind. "Mount Everest protrudes into the stratosphere, and most of the year the summit is buffeted by winds of over 100 miles per hour that will kill a climber in minutes or even hurtle them into the void," All told Popular Mechanics. "It is only during the onset or cession of the Asian Monsoon that these winds die down and allow climbers short seven- to 10-day windows to climb the mountain."

The highest recorded wind speed at the summit was a 175 mph in February 2004. For reference, a Category 5 hurricane has sustained wind speeds of at least 157 mph. Throughout the winter, hurricane-force winds pummel the summit for three days out of four.

The two windows in which those wild winds die down happen in May and September. But snow falls during the September calm, so fresh snow drifts offset the break from the wind. That's why so many people try the ascent in May, All says.
So it's the best time for the weather conditions, but it also means that most of the people who want to climb Everest in a given year all arrive at the same time.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by robinson » Tue May 28, 2019 7:17 am

Anaxagoras wrote:
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I mean, where else does a person drop dead and everyone else just keeps going about their business, stepping over the body.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by Bruce » Tue May 28, 2019 11:08 pm

robinson wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 7:17 am
Anaxagoras wrote:
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I mean, where else does a person drop dead and everyone else just keeps going about their business, stepping over the body.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:45 am

Here you go. Climb Everest without ever even getting off your ass.

https://thetopofmounteverest.com/#home
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:03 am

OK so my helicopter idea is a wash out.

How about a series of indoor escalators with pressurized cabins and airlocks every so often?

Up to the hotel on the summit (with the domed observation deck).

It would have to be very expensive just to make back the investment of building it, but it's just the sort of thing you could pitch to wealthy tourists.

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by Grammatron » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:24 am

I think the first day this becomes possible they will build it.

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by Witness » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:16 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:03 am
domed observation deck
Where you can laugh and point at the pedestrians freezing to death outside.

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by robinson » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:20 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
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How about a series of indoor escalators with pressurized cabins and airlocks every so often?
During the cold season (most of the year) it is easier to get to the surface of the moon than to the top of Everest. Actually, even in summer it is simply impossible to get to the top of Everest during a storm.

Men have walked on the moon multiple times. But nobody has ever gone up Everest during a storm, or when it is not summer. It's actually impossible, no matter how much money and effort you spend on it. Even if you could build something up that high, you can't maintain it. Actually, you couldn't even build it. The ice field (glacier) you have to cross is impossible to build a structure on. Which is exactly why you can't build anything. There is no way to build a road to deliver men and materials to even start the project.

You could air lift everything in, but the two month window when you could try and build a base to start building from isn't long enough to build a base to start building. And even if you tried, by the time you get back to the site (10 months later) you face such a massive clearing and repair to the start of the base you end up never making an progress. And of course the powers that be aren't going to approve any of it.

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by robinson » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:28 am

Just for comparison, Glacier National Park has a road already built, going up to the pass at 6,646 feet. It was a huge effort to build the road. It's cleared and repaired usually by the end of June (rocks and snow and damage), and is open until the first snows in September or October. (it might be the middle of July before it can be cleared)

This is just a road. And it has no guardrails because nothing ever constructed has survived a winter. This is below 7000 feet. Base camp on Everest is at 17,600 ft. Nobody can build anything to even reach that point. Much less try constructing something above it.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by Anaxagoras » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:29 am

robinson wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:20 am
Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:03 am
How about a series of indoor escalators with pressurized cabins and airlocks every so often?
During the cold season (most of the year) it is easier to get to the surface of the moon than to the top of Everest. Actually, even in summer it is simply impossible to get to the top of Everest during a storm.

Men have walked on the moon multiple times. But nobody has ever gone up Everest during a storm, or when it is not summer. It's actually impossible, no matter how much money and effort you spend on it. Even if you could build something up that high, you can't maintain it. Actually, you couldn't even build it. The ice field (glacier) you have to cross is impossible to build a structure on. Which is exactly why you can't build anything. There is no way to build a road to deliver men and materials to even start the project.

You could air lift everything in, but the two month window when you could try and build a base to start building from isn't long enough to build a base to start building. And even if you tried, by the time you get back to the site (10 months later) you face such a massive clearing and repair to the start of the base you end up never making an progress. And of course the powers that be aren't going to approve any of it.

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by ed » Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:26 pm

The way to control demand is thru pricing. Keep raising fees til the numbers get manageable.

At the same time

Build "Way Station" landing pads every 1000 feet or so and then perfect this


As a side thing make every person entering within 100 miles of Everest get $10,000,000 of term life insurance paid up for two years. Beneficiary is the Everest Development Group (EDG). I figure that anyone who wants to climb Everest is likely to engage in other risky behavior.

You might argue that the air is too thin at higher altitudes to support flight. To this I say "so?" and "piffle". Look at it this way: rich fuckers, who have paid their fees in advance AND have fat life insurance policies, get marooned 12,000 feet up. And the problem with that is what exactly????

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by sparks » Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:44 pm

Agreed. And on every point. :)

One question though: Are they still good eatin' at 10 thousand feet?
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by ed » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:22 pm

They'll keep.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by sparks » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:32 pm

AGW ed. AGW. What about that? Huh??? :)
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by Abdul Alhazred » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:45 pm

sparks wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:32 pm
AGW ed. AGW. What about that? Huh??? :)
It will make building the hotel easier, though we will still need it to have a pressurized cabin.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by robinson » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:58 pm

Rob Lister wrote:
Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:05 pm
There are regular reminders in the news just how dangerous climbing Mt. Everest can be, but Smithsonian drives that point home with a look at some of the mountain's more tragic stories. More than 200 people have died on its frozen slopes, and many have ended up preserved in the ice where they fell.
71 more have died since topic was started.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by robinson » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:04 pm

You never know what's going to happen, then some shit happens nobody saw coming, then later somebody says they knew it was coming, then some new shit happens nobody saw coming, rinse and repeat

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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by robinson » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:06 pm

Note location of base camp.

Note it is impossible to build or maintain a structure there. And it is 2 and a half miles up (elevation) to the peak. It is easier to get to the surface of the moon than the peak of Everest when it is snowing.
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Re: 200 Dead On Everest

Post by sparks » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:40 pm

It is easier to....when ... snow, uphill both ways without shoes and bullshit bullshit bullshit.

Of course. Can't argue with bullshit.
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