Anti-vaxxers in power

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by sparks » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:57 am

Dumb fuckers make money every fucking day by spreading bullshit.

Hell, we could all do it.

If we'd only suspend our better judgement and our sympathy and empathy for our fellow humans.

But in the meantime, goddamn these psychopaths to flaming fucking hell.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by shemp » Sat Nov 09, 2019 3:25 am

I guess Dumbass is going to lose their job.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by sparks » Sat Nov 09, 2019 12:57 pm

Indeed. :)
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Witness » Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:07 am

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I'm getting old.

Must be the vaccines.

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by sparks » Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:59 pm

I'm switching to the anti-vax side: Let them die! Let them all die horribly!!!

Goddamned stupid motherfuckers.
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Post by Witness » Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:22 am

Majority of anti-vaxx ads on Facebook are funded by just two organizations

Study finds Robert F Kennedy Jr’s World Mercury Project and Larry Cook’s Stop Mandatory Vaccinations bought 54% of ads

The majority of Facebook ads spreading misinformation about vaccines are funded by two organizations run by well-known anti-vaccination activists, a new study in the journal Vaccine has found.

The World Mercury Project chaired by Robert F Kennedy Jr, and Stop Mandatory Vaccinations, a project of campaigner Larry Cook, bought 54% of the anti-vaccine ads shown on the platform during the study period.

“Absolutely we were surprised,” said David Broniatowski, a professor of engineering at George Washington University, one of the authors of the report. “These two individuals were generating the majority of the content.”

Cook uses crowd-funding platforms to raise money for Facebook ads and his personal expenses. The crowd-funding platform GoFundMe banned Cook’s fundraisers in March 2019. YouTube has demonetized Cook’s videos.

Kennedy is the son of the former US attorney general Bobby Kennedy. He also has a nonprofit focused on environmental causes. Kennedy’s brother, sister and niece publicly criticized his “dangerous misinformation” about vaccines in May. They called his work against vaccination, “tragically wrong”.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... ions-study

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Post by Witness » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:01 am

Samoa declares state of emergency as measles outbreak claims lives

Samoa's Government has declared a state of emergency, ordering all schools, including the National University of Samoa, to be closed as a deadly measles outbreak continues to spread.

Since Samoan officials announced a measles epidemic in October, seven suspected measles-related deaths have been recorded.

The majority of cases have involved children younger than four years old.

The Samoan Government ordered children under the age of 17 not to attend public gatherings in an attempt to stop the virus spreading.

It also made vaccinations a mandatory legal requirement for all people of Samoa who have not yet received a vaccination injection.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-17/ ... k/11711576

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Post by Witness » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:10 am

Germany passes law making measles vaccination compulsory for children

Teachers and hospital staff must also be immunised, law says

Germany’s parliament has approved a law making it compulsory for schoolchildren to be vaccinated against measles.

The measure passed with a massive majority on Thursday, mandating that all children who attend school or nursery must be inoculated.

Politicians approved the government bill by 459 in favour to 89 against. There were 105 abstentions.

The law means parents who are unable to prove their offspring have been vaccinated against measles by 1 August 2021 - or those who refuse - will be fined up to €2,500 (£2,150).

Jens Spahn, Germany’s health minister, said compulsory vaccination was necessary because of an increase in cases of measles, a highly contagious and potentially fatal disease.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 04306.html

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:33 pm

Yay Germany.

But I betcha this unleashes Nazi comparisons.
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Risk vs. benefit, a difficult concept.

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by robinson » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:40 am

High-risk HPV types (like HPV 16 and 18) are spread by sexual contact, A woman who doesn't have a high risk HPV and who isn't engaging in risky sexual activity has zero risk of getting cancer from an HPV.
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Post by robinson » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:42 am

If the PTB really want to stop cervical cancer, then create a test for HPV, and treat it like any other infectious disease
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by robinson » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:43 am

Of course injecting billions of women with an expensive vaccine (most of whom don't need it), is lucrative, and more attractive than finding out who actually is at risk form HPV caused cancer
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Witness » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:02 am

robinson wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:43 am
Of course injecting billions of women with an expensive vaccine (most of whom don't need it), is lucrative, and more attractive than finding out who actually is at risk form HPV caused cancer
Wrong.
HPV Vaccine Prices

The real HPV vaccine prices have fallen steeply over the last few years in many European countries, thanks to competitive tendering. For instance, the price per dose in Italy dropped under €30 in recent regional tenders and even sunk under €20 in the Netherlands; experts commonly felt there were similar drops in national tenders in Sweden and the UK (both countries where awarded prices are kept confidential).

This experience showed that prices can drop steeply even when competition is minimal, i.e. only two manufacturers, if vaccines are judged basically equivalent by health authorities for their main health target, i.e. CC prevention in the case of HPV vaccination.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 018-0375-9

Furthermore there are numerous programs providing the vaccine for free or at low cost. Exempli gratia:
How much does it cost?

The HPV vaccine is provided free in schools for girls and boys aged 12–13 years as part of the National HPV Vaccination Program.

Girls and boys aged up to 19 who are not in the eligible school year levels can also obtain two doses of the vaccine for free from their local immunisation provider or doctor as part of the ongoing program. Those aged 15 or older at the time of their first vaccination require three doses for best protection.
http://www.hpvvaccine.org.au/the-hpv-vaccine/cost.aspx
Merck Vaccine Patience Assistance Program:

Merck offers a vaccine assistance program to those who desire to receive Gardisil 9. To qualify, you must:
  • Be between the ages of 19 and 26
  • Be uninsured
  • Live in the United States, although you don't have to be a U.S. citizen
  • Have an annual income less than $47,520 for individuals, $64,080 for couples or $97,200 for a family of four
Merck does take special circumstances into account and often makes exceptions on a case-by-case basis. Do not let the income qualifications deter you from applying. You may still be approved based on your specific situation.

Applying for the Merck Vaccine Patient Assistance Program is easy. Simply visit the Merck website and download and print the application. Return the completed application to your doctor's office. Your doctor's office will submit the application to Merck, who will notify the office of a decision the same day. It is important to note that the application must be completed and approved by Merck prior to getting the vaccination.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/how-much ... ost-514124

And from as far back as 2013:
Millions of girls in developing countries to be protected against cervical cancer thanks to new HPV vaccine deals

Cape Town / Geneva, 9 May 2013 – A new record low price for human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines will help ensure millions of girls in developing countries can be protected against cervical cancer.

Thanks to the GAVI Alliance, the poorest countries will now have access to a sustainable supply of HPV vaccines for as low as US$ 4.50 per dose. The same vaccines can cost more than $100 in developed countries and the previous lowest public sector price was $13 per dose.

HPV vaccines are primarily available as part of routine immunisation to girls in relatively wealthy countries. And yet of the 275,000 women in the world who die of cervical cancer every year, more than 85% are in low-income countries, where the incidence of HPV infection is higher and few women have access to screening and treatment.
https://www.gavi.org/hpv-price-announcement

I'll also add that when you're a teen you probably don't know what kind of sex life you will have…


Now to support your claim you just have to show that screening is cheaper and has the same efficiency as the vaccine and associated programs. ("Hey, I'll just get myself tested.")

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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by sparks » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:18 am

Witness wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:45 pm


Risk vs. benefit, a difficult concept.
Apparently for some it is. I will not pray for them.
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Re: Anti-vaxxers in power

Post by Witness » Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:37 pm

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I presume we should still roam the savanna. :roll: