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Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Mar 06, 2019 1:13 am

But not politicians. They have their own forum, and we can stipulate that most of them are charlatans or at least charlatan-adjacent.

So this thread is for other imposters, fabulists and frauds.

The Fake Sex Doctor Who Conned the Media Into Publicizing His Bizarre Research on Suicide, Butt-Fisting, and Bestiality
If you look up Dr. Damian Jacob Markiewicz Sendler online, you might think he has a MD and a PhD from Harvard Medical School. He presents himself as the chief of sexology at a non-profit health research foundation based in New York. His website states he’s one of the youngest elected members of the American Psychiatric Association and the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law, and that Barack Obama gave him a President’s Gold Service Award for his contributions in medicine and mental health.

Based on the information available online, Sendler could be one of the most accomplished 28-year-olds in medicine.

But he’s not. Those are all lies.

Sendler is a serial fabulist. The accomplished doctor character Sendler has created has appeared in numerous media outlets—Vice, Playboy, Savage Lovecast, Huffington Post, Insider, Bustle, Thrive Global, Women’s Health, and Forbes, among others. Many of these platforms have published Sendler’s lies and publicized his bizarre and irresponsible studies on necrophilia, zoophilia, lethal erotic asphyxiation, and sexual assault. And until recently, he was soliciting patients through his website where he offered online psychotherapy and sex therapy.

After weeks of interviewing and corresponding with dozens of sources at universities and hospitals, I’ve finally parsed fact from fiction. And after interviewing Sendler for several hours, I figured out how he’s gotten away with it—until now.
I guess it also goes to show how due diligence and basic fact-checking takes a back seat to the opportunity to publish a flashy, click-baity headline.

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When confronted with the fact that all of his credentials and honors were fabricated, he had a very Post-modernist sort of defense: that everything is subjective and besides, we live in a post-truth world anyway because Trump.
When I asked Sendler during our main interview, at the Gizmodo office, if he saw these falsifications as marketing or misrepresentation, his demeanor shifted, and he finally spoke to me in a way that seemed earnest: “That’s sort of subjective, right? Isn’t everyone sort of misrepresenting themselves in every way?” he said.

Then he seemed to threaten me. “Like I don’t know you, right? You might be working here today but you might not work here tomorrow, right? And I might feel intimidated by you today but tomorrow you don’t have a job, right? And I still have mine, right?”

As his diatribe continued, Sendler helped me realize why people like him believe they can get away with falsifying their entire career and lying to vulnerable people.

“You have to understand that in the world where people use—even the President of this country uses Twitter and creates falsehoods every day,” Sendler said. “How do we then quantify the degree of guilt that you can do, right? Because, you see, if the most powerful man can do this eight, nine thousand times... and he doesn’t care. He still does his thing, and people still support him because they believe in the agenda that he executes.”
So basically his excuse is that it's OK to lie now because Trump lies and he gets away with it. There's no consequences and it doesn't matter what the Fact-checkers in the media do, or how many "Pinocchios" or "Pants-on-fires" they award him. It's the old "Look What Trump Made Me Do" excuse (apologies to Abdul).
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Interesting thread start. Wonder where it will go. :)

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:01 am

The "Look with what Trump made me do" trope didn't apply to successful moneymaking activities. 8)
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Post by Doctor X » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:06 am

I sometimes wonder if the more absurd the claims, the more believable they are since people think, "well . . . he must be telling the truth since no one would lie like that!"

That stupidity was and is, incidentally, a cornerstone of Christian historical apologetics. "No one would make that up!"

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Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:06 am

But insofar as people like to use him as an excuse for their own bad behavior.
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Post by Anaxagoras » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:09 am

The old "it's to crazy not to be true" reverse logic.
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Post by Doctor X » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:40 am

There are a number of such I may have mentioned, and it seems ridiculous that anyone would follow them.

Yet they do.

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Post by ed » Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:48 pm

Most people are reasonably honest and they expect honestly from others.
How you ever met a real pathological liar? I mean someone who simply lies about everything? Knew one. A friend. Bought presents (like a quilt) for us and claimed she made it. Explained how she joined a quilting circle. Ornate fucking story. Any pressure on her would cause her to kill off her father. I recall driving around Lake Michagan with a business associate and reconstructing how many times her father died to get her out of jams. But the lies were delivered earnestly and matter of factly. And they concerned EVERYTHING. And we bought it for a long time.

John Edwards. Lied right to the faces of the people who thought he could communicate with the dead. Just opened his mouth and lied. Jimmy Swaggart and dozens of others of his ilk.

Guy looks you in the eye and tells you something. Takes your hand, shakes it. Exudes gravitas. Wouldn't you believe?

Recall the story of when I engaged in communicating with the dead? I did it. Because people want to believe.

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ed wrote:
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Most people are reasonably honest and they expect honestly from others.
How you ever met a real pathological liar? I mean someone who simply lies about everything? Knew one. A friend. Bought presents (like a quilt) for us and claimed she made it. Explained how she joined a quilting circle. Ornate fucking story. Any pressure on her would cause her to kill off her father. I recall driving around Lake Michagan with a business associate and reconstructing how many times her father died to get her out of jams. But the lies were delivered earnestly and matter of factly. And they concerned EVERYTHING. And we bought it for a long time.
I wonder if she had any brothers or sisters or other family members. It would be fun to get them in the same room together and then try to steer the conversation to their father and see what the sibling says.
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ed wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 12:48 pm
How you ever met a real pathological liar?
Knew one in college and another that was a former landlord. Their ability to lie without any hint of guilt is unreal. Remember that lady in Michigan who claimed her dog had special powers and could find missing people? She lead police on wild goose chases for years and was on multiple TV programs before she was finally busted planting bone fragments and training her dog to "find" them. The police found bags of bone fragments in her home. Her mom knew she was a pathological liar and couldn't bring herself to turn in her daughter. This is a woman who looked families straight in the eye and told them her dog would find their missing loved ones. Sick.
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Key players charged in $200 million psychic mail fraud case

Two people have pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit mail fraud for their roles in one of the biggest consumer scams in history, according to court documents unsealed this week. 
Canadian citizens Maria Thanos and Philip Lett managed the day-to-day operations of  Infogest Direct Marketing, according to the documents. Previous government filings show that this Canadian company used letters allegedly written by French clairvoyant Maria Duval to prey on the sick and elderly. Infogest ran the North American arm of the scam, raking in more than $200 million from more than 1.4 million victims in the United States and Canada.   

Their alleged boss, who the government says was the leader of Infogest, has also been charged. Patrice Runner faces 18 counts of mail and wire fraud and  conspiracy to commit mail fraud, wire fraud and money laundering. Court records show that Runner's arrest warrant was provided to both Interpol and authorities in Spain, where the Department of Justice says he was arrested in December. Social media suggests he lives in Ibiza, Spain, and the Spanish government is now considering an extradition request by the United States, according to the DOJ. 
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The Internet Has a Cancer-Faking Problem
When Stephany Angelacos was diagnosed with Stage 2 breast cancer in 2016, she immediately turned to the internet for support. Online, there are numerous groups and forums where people dealing with cancer can share their experiences. Angelacos researched her disease and its treatments, and then, inspired by how knowledgeable everyone was, decided to found her own invite-only breast-cancer Facebook group that same year.

Today, this group has grown to 1,700 members. About a third have a metastatic or terminal diagnosis. Others are family members or medical professionals who share advice. The members comfort one another, organize fundraisers, and coordinate visits to those who are alone at the end of their lives. Angelacos, who has now completed active treatment, oversees many of these efforts.

Over the past year, one of the group’s more active and popular members was Marissa Marchand. When she joined in 2017, according to group members, Marchand said she was a terminally ill, grieving single mom. She posted pictures of herself bald from chemotherapy and wearing an IV drip. She quickly became close to many women in the group, and received an outpouring of sympathy, money, and gifts—including expensive wigs—to help defray the costs of medical care and raising her family.

“She came across as genuine, loving, and funny,” says Angelacos. “No one questioned her authenticity, including me—and I usually have a pretty active BS radar.”

Marchand’s posts gradually became more extreme, the group’s members say. She wrote that her son was being bullied over her diagnosis, and that her dog had been shot. Then, in December, according to Angelacos, Marchand announced that she was out of treatment options. Her cancer had spread to all of her major organs. She didn’t have much time left to live. Soon, she stopped posting.

Angelacos assumed Marchand had become another tragic cancer statistic. But when Angelacos reached out to Marchand’s family to check in, she was shocked to learn that Marchand was alive—and apparently healthy.

Around the time Marchand stopped posting in the Facebook group, she was arrested in Colorado for faking terminal cancer on the crowdfunding platform GoFundMe and accepting donations through multiple accounts. It seemed she had faked her illness to the Facebook group, too. At trial, she pleaded guilty and was sentenced to community service. “The entire group was devastated, angry, and in a state of disbelief,” Angelacos says. “Everyone felt they had come to know her so well. There was a huge sense of betrayal.” (Marchand and her lawyer did not respond to requests for comment.)

This was not the first time many of the group’s members had felt this way. As harrowing as the experience can be for those involved, people in online cancer support groups are routinely outed as healthy. It’s difficult to speculate exactly how common this phenomenon is: There have been no large-scale scientific investigations into the internet’s cancer fakers, and the evidence is limited to only those who have actually been suspected or caught. But among the internet’s cancer communities, it’s an often acknowledged problem, albeit still a shocking one. Among 10 people from three groups I spoke with recently, every person recalled someone being outed for faking in their communities at least once, if not more.
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Post by Doctor X » Tue May 07, 2019 8:15 am

That happened at THERE I believe when I stopped associating with it, for which I Blame Hal. Funny, the female fool has a name very similar to a user HERE, but they are not the same person, though the user probably caught "teh ghey" and follows Inferior Sport Teams. Whether "she" returned to THERE as yet another sockpuppet I neither know nor care.

It happened also on a grotty little Fan Boy blog. The idiot actually claimed that her "life saving teh brainz surgery" was delayed, IN ENGLAND, for Thanksgiving. I am not making that up.

Took little time to tear that all apart. Idiot made the mistake of thinking if you give a name of a place in a "far away country" no one can confirm it. You can. Even back then. Many members were pissed at me for exposing her since they "liked her," and, you know, acting like a victim to attract attention was, in their minds, empowering or something. Of course, we were dealing with a Fan Boy blog so rational thought long ago died. Some of them thought Fr. Guido Sarduci could actually "reverse the curse."

This sort of crap has been going on for centuries. The internet just makes it easier.

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Post by ed » Tue May 07, 2019 10:26 am

Doctor X wrote:
Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:06 am
I sometimes wonder if the more absurd the claims, the more believable they are since people think, "well . . . he must be telling the truth since no one would lie like that!"

That stupidity was and is, incidentally, a cornerstone of Christian historical apologetics. "No one would make that up!"

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Would a modern scholar actually say that? If so my head is ready to explode.
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Post by ed » Tue May 07, 2019 10:37 am

Without getting too in the weeds, I sorta see a difference between a crook who knows s/he is lying and someone who just lies .

Maybe it is all a continuum and the reward is on a continuum too. For the non-criminal liar it is acceptance, avoidance of responsibility, adulation maybe. For the crook it is those things plus money. In either case, is there awareness of the lie?
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ed wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 10:37 am
Without getting too in the weeds, I sorta see a difference between a crook who knows s/he is lying and someone who just lies.

Maybe it is all a continuum and the reward is on a continuum too. For the non-criminal liar it is acceptance, avoidance of responsibility, adulation maybe. For the crook it is those things plus money. In either case, is there awareness of the lie?
I'm a bad liar myself because I don't like to lie. Makes me physically uncomfortable. For some people it is second nature. Either it doesn't bother them or perhaps they aren't even entirely aware of it, as you suggest. People can rationalize all sorts of things to excuse themselves. It takes some sense of guilt or shame to be a good person I think.
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Post by ed » Tue May 07, 2019 12:11 pm

When I tried cold reading (on strangers) "dirty" was the way I would describe my feeling doing it.
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Does this work? Just straight up begging?
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THE ADVENTURES OF SHERLOCK HOLMES THE MAN WITH THE TWISTED LIP
Here's what's going on:
St. Clair has some experience as an actor, and he has also spent time writing for a newspaper. Working on an article on begging in cities one time, St. Clair uses his acting experience to disguise himself as a beggar.

St. Clair makes the happy discovery that, as a beggar, he can actually make lots more money than he ever made as a reporter. And it's pretty easy work: his secret is that he's good at witty repartee, which rakes in the big bucks.

The only person who knows St. Clair's secret (well, besides Holmes, Watson, the inspector, and now you) is the owner of the opium den, who St. Clair pays well to keep quiet.

He's been doing this for years and years, making upwards of seven hundred pounds (U.S. $92,000 in today's bucks) annually on begging alone. That's how he's been supporting his wife and family.
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